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POLL: How do you choose to archive captured premium HD Content and why?

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How do you choose to archive captured premium HD Content such as that captured using 169Time-AVX1 (Sat), the R5000-HD (Sat) and Cable FireWire, and, why?


Do you have any plans to transfer your library to future optical media such as Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, or, are you happy to archive and view it as is?
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Im currently dumping everything including all my DVDs to my 3 Tarabite server and Im using the MYHD card for all playback.


I would back up all my media to blue ray if it turns out to be an easy one step process.Transfering media to date (WM9)seams very time consuming with multiple programs needed.


I love the MY HD card. I just pull up an on screen play list and high light the title of choice DVD/HD and hit play. DVHS is the only Media I have to leave my seat to enjoy.


I cant wait for blue ray. I hope it lives up to all the excitement.
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Im currently dumping everything including all my DVDs to my 3 Tarabite server and Im using the MYHD card for all playback.
What kind of RAID/Hard Drive configuiration do you have for the server?


I have a 2 Terrabyte Media Server for current PC HD Captures and MyHD/AccessDTV viewing, but, I also have about 600 D-VHS movies (600 X 17GB = 10.2 Terrabytes).
I record everything to hard-drive and then dump to DVD-R. I do it because in my experience DVHS is not reliable and costs more. Blank DVD-R discs cost me

-Mark
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I record everything to hard-drive and then dump to DVD-R. I do it because in my experience DVHS is not reliable and costs more. Blank DVD-R discs cost me

-Mark


Do you capture everything from 169Time with DVHSTool and set the chunk size to 4.XXGB and the file format to MyHD.ts type?


Assuming you captured HD from an R5000 as one big file, what would you use to divide it into three and does it support sequential playback in MyHD by example?


Lastly, what's the best utility to knit together the 3 DVD-R's back into one big file later?
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I buy used SVHS tape for D-VHS recording and have extra hard drives for my HD TiVo. Used SVHS tape works out to about $1.25 per 2 hour movie but SVHS tape is getting harder to find. Although the problems with 169time playback are well known, I am having overall very good results now. I like being able to just carry a tape to one of two locations with D-VHS VCRs. If Blu-ray is a good as it sounds, I may ultimately be sorry I have all of this money tied up in VCRs and videotape but it is too late now.


Chris
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I buy used SVHS tape for D-VHS recording and have extra hard drives for my HD TiVo. Used SVHS tape works out to about $1.25 per 2 hour movie but SVHS tape is getting harder to find. Although the problems with 169time playback are well known, I am having overall very good results now. I like being able to just carry a tape to one of two locations with D-VHS VCRs. If Blu-ray is a good as it sounds, I may ultimately be sorry I have all of this money tied up in VCRs and videotape but it is too late now.


Chris


Short of having about 100 hard drives on slide-out trays with an Excel Index Spreadsheet, my 600 D-VHS tapes are really very convenient.


But, I have tested PC > DVHS > PC with MPEG2Repair before and after, and, D-VHS does add glitches as it's error correction is only of an A/V level.


However, when viewed through my LG 3410, glitches are very well masked by the decoder such that they rarely are actually visible.


So, if it were not for the scepter of future optical transfer from D-VHS, I probably wouldn't care.
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I love the MY HD card.


Alan


I have a digital front projector that likes the MyHD 120-DVI output very much for OTA file playback.


I found that I can also use the FireBus DTVR as if it were a D-VHS deck for playback with the LG 3410 whose decoder and video output may be a smidge better for imperfect Sat HD Captures as it masks virtually all imperfections.
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The costs on PC hard drives is dropping faster than other medias.

Also PC hard drives keep getting bigger and bigger capacities.


Random access and easy erase/reuse is a big benefit.
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The costs on PC hard drives is dropping faster than other medias.

Also PC hard drives keep getting bigger and bigger capacities.


Random access and easy erase/reuse is a big benefit.
250GB drives which format to 230GB have leveled off at $110-140.


With movies averaging 16GB, hard drives cost 3-4 times as much as S-VHS tape ($3.50/T-120), but, do have excellent random access benefits.
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About 100 on DVHS and D-Theater and over 100 on 2.5 Terabytes of HDD's.

Recording and leaving on DVHS is the easiest, but I agree, random access on HDD is the best.


BTW - I use a Roku HD1000 to watch the movies/Shows off the HDDs.
Also, keep in mind that tapes are somewhat wasteful.

A 91 minute recording still needs a 120minute tape.


With large HDs you can make a huge array, or at least shuffle things around to use nearly all of the capacity.
I do about the same as Wizziwig... everything goes to big hard drives first and the 'keepers' (will) go onto DVD+Rs (2-3 per movie typical, and I found 4-DVD cases the same thickness as single/dual cases). I have not yet found/decided on the best file format/size overall, so right now I have a mixture of small TS files, big TS files, and big MPEG-2 files.
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I do about the same as Wizziwig... everything goes to big hard drives first and the 'keepers' (will) go onto DVD+Rs (2-3 per movie typical, and I found 4-DVD cases the same thickness as single/dual cases)..
Assuming you captured HD as one big file, what would you use to divide it into three DVD's and does it support sequential playback in MyHD by example?


Also, what's the best utility to knit together the 3 DVD-R's back into one big file later?
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Assuming you captured HD as one big file, what would you use to divide it into three DVD's and does it support sequential playback in MyHD by example?


Also, what's the best utility to knit together the 3 DVD-R's back into one big file later?
Hi Murray,


Sorry for the late reply...


I think you can probably guess the answer. I use my own utilities of course. :)


I just picked a random size that evenly fits into that of a DVD-R (so no space is wasted). I'm using 68 Mb at the moment which ends up being 66 files per disc. I use my NullPacketSaver to split the original large file that I captured in CapDVHS (directly from AVX). I also use NullPacketSaver to restore it back to hard drive for watching. The program automatically prompts me to swap discs when needed. During the transfer back to HD, the program also allows you to re-insert null packets and change the segment size if needed. So it really doesn't matter what size the files are on the disc since I can chose a different size when restoring. Playing HD directly off a DVD-R doesn't work well in my experience...some random stalls, etc. I think I could fix that by writing my own file source filter or custom firewire player with a larger read-ahead cache. I'll probably get to that project after things settle down with mpeg2repair.


-Mark


Edit: If you're afraid of console programs, you can also use NullPacketStripper to do pretty much the same thing but without null packet replacement.
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I too, playback everything through MyHD. All captured HD material that is archived is first converted to 1280x720p/23.976fps (for film) and these play on the MyHD card nicely :) I can put about 1.2 hours of HD per DVD. This is a pretty fast method and typically takes about 2 times the actual run time to convert. Also saves space on the mediaserver :)
I do a mixture of all 3 perm archive on dvdr movies i know i will watch frequently on dvhs and items i havent watched yet on hard drive for easy access at the moment i have about 2.5 TB on hdd .

I would love to be able to fit one movie on one disc so blue ray will definately be an improvement over the current method and dvhs is just way too bulky .
The bulk of my collection is D-VHS, but hard drives and DVD-Rs are starting to pile up. I think the LG LST-3410A is the most well rounded recording/playback device of all, since it can handle D-VHS and hard drives. It also has a forgiving MPEG decoder (it can handle legacy Panasonic and AVX-1 recordings without dropouts). I've modded my 3410 to permit swappable hard drives, so increasingly I'm watching stuff this way. LG formatted drives are probably not the safest 'archives' around, but I'll soon be looking at making backups via mfs tools.


-Dylan
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The bulk of my collection is D-VHS, but hard drives and DVD-Rs are starting to pile up. I think the LG LST-3410A is the most well rounded recording/playback device of all, since it can handle D-VHS and hard drives. It also has a forgiving MPEG decoder (it can handle legacy Panasonic and AVX-1 recordings without dropouts). I've modded my 3410 to permit swappable hard drives, so increasingly I'm watching stuff this way. LG formatted drives are probably not the safest 'archives' around, but I'll soon be looking at making backups via mfs tools.


-Dylan
Dylan


Please share the exact details of how you modded your 3410 to utilize swappable hard drives.


Also, how do you transfer your AVX-1 captures for viewing on your 3410?


And, lastly, what are mfs tools?
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Murray,

Most of the mod details (with pics) you have already seen here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...25#post3971325


Captures are transferred to the LG via D-VHS (legacy recordings) or using a Mac with Virtual DVHS (current captures). If you are willing to fiddle with the Firewire connection you can get the 3410A to record directly from the AVX-1! The initial connection is hard to get, but once made the 3410A will record hours and hours of content. I have done a few poor man's timer recordings where I leave the 3410A to record a channel overnight and then edit the 7-8 hour capture down to just the show I wanted. The only problems here are the difficulty in establishing the initial Firewire connection, and you may need several hours of recording time available on the drive.


Mfs tools are a set of data backup tools used for Tivos and other Linux-based STBs that use the mfs file system. I've read anecdotal stories that you can use mfs tools to back up a hard drive from an LST-3410A or a Zenith HDR-230. I will be looking into this later in the week.


-Dylan
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