[JackBauer24]

From Bill Hunt at the Digital Bits:

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I've also been getting a few e-mails this week about how a few of the leading porn companies, like Digital Underground and Wicked Pictures, have decided to back HD-DVD for cost and ease of production reasons (see story here at ABC News)."Porn decided the VHS vs. Betamax format war, so it'll decide the HD format war too!" is the typical comment. Here's why that won't matter: Back in the days of the VHS vs. Beta format war, the only way to watch porn was to visit a seedy adult movie theater. So when cheap, convenient porn on tape finally arrived, it was a HUGE deal, demand was massive and it benefited VHS greatly. The difference today is, porn is EVERYWHERE on the Internet and particularly on good old standard DVD... and it's already cheap. Plus, hot naked babes that look sexy as all get out in standard definition... well, let's just say maybe not so much in HD. You can't hide those plastic surgery scars and ass-pimples in high-def. I'm just saying. Bottom line: Porn will NOT decide this format war."

 

[hmurchison]

Bill


Is that Mike Hunt's brother?

 

[pcrx]

LOL! Well it might decide it for some folks!

 

[turansformer]



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Originally Posted by hmurchison /forum/post/0


Bill


Is that Mike Hunt's brother?

lol

 

[mr stroke]



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Originally Posted by hmurchison /forum/post/0


Bill


Is that Mike Hunt's brother?

lol

post of the day!!!!!

 

[mr stroke]

He makes a great point, with the internet and plently of SD porn does anyone really care for HD porn???the real question is will anyone really pay those insane prices(50-60$) when they can find it on the internet for half the price or even free?

 

[pcrx]

No, sir. The real question is if your user name and your posting in THIS thread are purely a coincidence or a result of cosmic planetary alignment.

I agree with you BTW on the price...$60 is too much unless I get a personal visit from the leading actress.....

 

[Bill Hunt]



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Originally Posted by hmurchison /forum/post/0


Bill


Is that Mike Hunt's brother?

Another fine example of Great Moments in Online Oratory...


By the way, my final post on the subject was:


"A few readers have e-mailed us this week about the news that some of the leading porn companies, like Digital Underground and Wicked Pictures, have decided to back HD-DVD for cost and ease of production reasons (see story here at ABC News)."Porn decided the VHS vs. Betamax format war, so it'll decide the HD format war too." is the typical comment. Here's why I doubt it: Back in the days of the VHS vs. Beta format war, the only way to watch porn was to visit a seedy adult movie theater or on Super-8 film. So when cheap, convenient porn on tape finally arrived, it was a HUGE deal, demand was massive and it benefited VHS greatly. The difference today is, cheap porn is already available EVERYWHERE on the Internet and particularly on good old standard DVD. Also, have any of you actually seen naked people in high-definition? Let me tell you, it's often a much better idea in theory than in reality. Porn stars may look sexy as all get out in standard definition, but... well, maybe not so much in HD. You can't hide those plastic surgery scars, stretch marks and a__-pimples in high-def. I'm just saying. Bottom line: Porn companies backing HD-DVD is not insignificant, but I doubt very much that porn will decide this format war."


Let the bashing begin...

 

[BuGsArEtAsTy]

Best thread of the day.

Back on topic. No, I don't think porn will decide this war. However, it's definitely not a good thing for BD if all he porn companies switch to HD DVD because of BD replication issues, etc. As I understand it, porn is a several billion dollar industry here.


ie. I agree with Mike Hunt's brother.


P.S. Bill seems to have fairly extensive experience with HD porn. So... was that HD DVD or Blu-ray?

Or I guess WMV HD...

 

[amirm]

The thing that is significant here is that it shows no small replicator can produce BD discs. As otherwise, this industry would have been able to get them to make BD discs for them.


Today, we have 40 content studios/distributors worldwide making HD DVDs. The reason is that so many shops can replicate them internationally. This advantage of HD DVD will mean much broader set of content than BD, whether it is the alternative content or otherwise.

 

[Bill Hunt]



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Originally Posted by amirm /forum/post/0


The thing that is significant here is that it shows no small replicator can produce BD discs. As otherwise, this industry would have been able to get them to make BD discs for them.


Today, we have 40 content studios/distributors worldwide making HD DVDs. The reason is that so many shops can replicate them internationally. This advantage of HD DVD will mean much broader set of content than BD, whether it is the alternative content or otherwise.

No offense, Amir, but "broader content" and porn hardly makes up for no Disney films, no Fox films, no Sony films, no MGM films and no Lionsgate films.


By the way, I looked for you at the Microsoft booth at CES. Wanted to say hi. Were you there this week?

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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy /forum/post/0


P.S. Bill seems to have fairly extensive experience with HD porn. So... was that HD DVD or Blu-ray?

Or I guess WMV HD...

WMV HD, and a couple of the new HD-DVDs. Plus, on the naked people score, anyone else suffer through those DVHS demo tapes of sumo wrestling? Ugh...

 

[hmurchison]

Hey I'm kinda looking forward to HD ass-pimples


Seriously...one does have to worry about this issue. Is it philisophical reasoning that has replicators pushing Adult films away or the fact that they may but stuffed to the gills with larger projects because of the scarcity of replication facilities.


The advantage of Fox, Columbia, and Disney however is formidable for Blu-ray. HD DVD will hae to sell like the dickens and let the potential dollars speak for themselves the latter half of this year.

 

[David Scott]

I have a friend

who's seen the wmv of "Pirates" and he said the girls in HD looked quite nice. I think any company that shoots in HD would make sure the results were worth the trouble, and find it hard to believe HD porn girls can't be sexy looking.

 

[Bill Hunt]

Yeah, but just wait until Big Mamma Jamma XXV hits HD-DVD...

 

[Star56]

Video pornography (tapes/dvd's) is a multi BILLION dollar industry. There is no evidence that people purchase less porn because of internet availability.

 

[Bill Hunt]

Never said there was. I'm just saying that the ability to watch porn at home in 2007 is not new, as it was back in the days of the VHS vs. Beta format war. That's why porn decided that format war. It's not going to have the same kind of impact today. I'm not writing the porn/HD-DVD news off, but I am saying that it's not going to decide the HD format war. And I suspect that the porn companies would release in the other format too if the opportunity presented itself.

 

[darinp2]



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Originally Posted by David Scott /forum/post/0


I have a friend

who's seen the wmv of "Pirates" and he said the girls in HD looked quite nice. I think any company that shoots in HD would make sure the results were worth the trouble, and find it hard to believe HD porn girls can't be sexy looking.

I think the "Bikini Destinations" shows prove that there are some women who look great in HD. The porn studios might have to pay more, but I don't see this as something they can't deal with. And for those who can't imagine seeing porn in HD, I just wonder how they deal with real life. Maybe they always have the lights off.

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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt /forum/post/0


And I suspect that the porn companies would release in the other format too if the opportunity presented itself.

I had predicted that the PS3 could be the most common HD porn playing machine. Guess I had the wrong side as now it looks like Microsoft's XBOX360 with add-on could be the most common HD porn player.


Maybe the crown will belong to HD-Tivos, HTPCs, or something like that though.


--Darin

 

[Jarod M]



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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt /forum/post/0


No offense, Amir, but "broader content" and porn hardly makes up for no Disney films, no Fox films, no Sony films, no MGM films and no Lionsgate films.

But at the very least isn't the porn allegiance tantamount to the Lionsgate properties in impact? You seem to want to discount the porn factor by saying it won't decide the format war...but it certainly can lend more credibility to HD DVD's viability. At this point I believe there are only two entities that will potentially decide the format war this year-Universal and Disney.


Oh...and it is very misleading to say "no MGM films." Warner controls the distribution of 55 years of MGM films.

 

[Bill Hunt]



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Originally Posted by Jarod M /forum/post/0


But at the very least isn't the porn allegiance tantamount to the Lionsgate properties in impact? You seem to want to discount the porn factor by saying it won't decide the format war...but it certainly can lend more credibility to HD DVD's viability. At this point I believe there are only two entities that will potentially decide the format war this year-Universal and Disney.


Oh...and it is very misleading to say "no MGM films." Warner controls the distribution of 55 years of MGM films.

I'm not discounting it at all. As I said above, it's not insignificant. But I doubt its impact will be as big as some want to make it out to be. The porn companies haven't all jumped to HD-DVD becuase they think it's better. Here's a quote from the ABC News story:


"I wouldn't say we decided against Blu-Ray, but HD DVD was just easier, more accessible, and we had access to the technology," said Jackie Ramos, vice president of DVD production for Wicked Pictures, one of the adult industry's largest filmmakers.


Which would seem to imply that if they COULD release in Blu-ray, they would. The opportunity may yet present itself. However, having spoken to Bob Chapek and others from Disney in person in the last few days, I see no indication that they're going to jump ship anytime soon. None at all. And you're right, it's the big studios like Disney that are going to decide this thing. As for Universal, why did they make NO major announcements at CES? If they had, we'd all be having a somewhat different conversation right now. They made none. As for MGM, Warner might control 55 MGM films, but MGM controls the other 3,950 give or take. I don't think I'm being unfair to call MGM a Blu-ray exclusive studio.

 

[syndalis]



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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt /forum/post/0


Warner might control 55 MGM films, but MGM controls the other 3,950 give or take. I don't think I'm being unfair to call MGM a Blu-ray exclusive studio.

You misread his quote.


Warner has 55 YEARS of MGM films in their vault. Not 55 titles.