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My problem is described below but anyway im going to forget about it , how do i Bi Amp the center channel? i have the Onkyo SR 606, in the manual of the Onkyo SR606 it only explains how to Bi amp the front L/R speakers. how do i bi amp the center channel?



so i was watching a movie with my new center channel , the CLR 2002 and i knew there was something wrong with the sound so i checked the connections and you know, im not BI AMPING the center channel(or any channel.. ) and to my suprise, the 2 Bridges(JUMPERS) that connect the top row and the bottom row of terminals on the clr2002 , one of these jumpers is a little bended on the tip.. and that causes the audio from the center channel to cut out for a few milliseconds at random instances, i dont know how it got bended, i just have no clue but i have a problem now.. i might call the place where i ordered it from for them to send me a replacment or something, i cant 100% return it to the shape it was before. im going to Bi amp meanwhile..
 

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Hm, its not gonna damage anything? ill try that tommorow. So if i decide to plug the speaker wire that comes from the reciever into the top row of terminals, and then i will run 2 short speaker wires from( 1 for each side) from thw top row terminal into its corrosponding lower terminal, right? How am i going to fit 2 speaker wires into the top row of terminals tho....


Just for the point, how do i bi amp the center speaker?
 

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you need another set of amplifer channels and another set of speaker wires. I doubt the onkyo has the ability to assign another set to the center.
 

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oh god, so my only choice is to use the speaker wire workaround that you recommanded me? its not going to damage anything the speaker right?


How do i fit 2 speaker wires into the top terminal tho?(thats where the speaker wire from the reciever comes to also)
 

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The SR606 cannot bi-amp the center channel.


The jumper strap is the same thing as a piece of wire. Just bend the jumper flat or use a piece of wire. Or, use a jumper from one of the left or right speakers that you have bi-wired.


The bigger problem is that the C/L/R 2002 does not support bi-amping. The 2002 only supports a bi-wire configuration.


Bi-amp and Bi-wire are two different things. It's in the cross-over design and bi-amping usually requires an active cross-over for best results.


From my view point, bi-wiring gives you no advantage. I know, I know... Definitive says that it will give you greater inter detail, higher definition, increased transparency, and improved depth, bla, bla, bla. However, at the end of the day, it is still a piece of copper connecting the same cross-over at the speaker terminals on the speaker box or the speaker terminals at the amplifier. In other words, one wire is no different than two wires coming from your speaker. It only costs you twice as much for wire. Your choice.
 

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"Bi-amp" and "bi-wire" are as different as "cavalry" and calvary." They're as different as "solemnize" and "sodomize." Nearly all who think they are bi-amping are actually bi-wiring, which has no audible benefit. As stated well above, bi-amping requires two amplifier channels. For bi-amping to be most effective, an outboard crossover; either in hardware or through DSP; is used and the speaker's internal crossover is bypassed. There are real advantages to true bi-amping.
 

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^What he said. Your receiver is not capable of bi-amping your center channel speaker. You can use regular speaker wire to bridge your binding posts, it wont hurt anything.
 

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Ok i guess i didnt know that bi amping and bi wiring were 2 different things, now i know, btw i called definitive and he will send me a pair of new jumpers. Meanwhile, how do i bi wire the center speaker guys? Please bare with me , i never bi wired before
 

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My problem is described below but anyway im going to forget about it , how do i Bi Amp the center channel? i have the Onkyo SR 606, in the manual of the Onkyo SR606 it only explains how to Bi amp the front L/R speakers. how do i bi amp the center channel?



so i was watching a movie with my new center channel , the CLR 2002 and i knew there was something wrong with the sound so i checked the connections and you know, im not BI AMPING the center channel(or any channel.. ) and to my suprise, the 2 Bridges(JUMPERS) that connect the top row and the bottom row of terminals on the clr2002 , one of these jumpers is a little bended on the tip.. and that causes the audio from the center channel to cut out for a few milliseconds at random instances, i dont know how it got bended, i just have no clue but i have a problem now.. i might call the place where i ordered it from for them to send me a replacment or something, i cant 100% return it to the shape it was before. im going to Bi amp meanwhile..

I thought we covered the "jumper" dilemma a few days ago. There is no reason to bend the jumpers. Bend them back to normal and install them properly. I think that you should understand hooking the speakers up normally first and then bi-wire later just to see if you hear any difference. You will need more wire or a bi-wire. (a bi-wire has one + and one - at one end, and two + and two - at the other). If you want to do this you would remove only the jumpers between the mids and highs, leaving the jumpers in place between the lows and mids. You haven't been able to enjoy the center spkr yet hooked up normally. That is what you should be concentrating on for now!!
 

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Ok i guess i didnt know that bi amping and bi wiring were 2 different things, now i know, btw i called definitive and he will send me a pair of new jumpers. Meanwhile, how do i bi wire the center speaker guys? Please bare with me , i never bi wired before

You remove the jumpers and use two runs of wire to your center and connect to the SR 606 center channel amp binding posts.


But honestly, it's a waste of time and money. You're just moving the jumper from the speaker terminals to the amplifier terminals. You would be farther ahead to go 7.1.


As you are wired now for left and right channels, the pre-amp section of your SR 606 sends the same signal to the two amplifier channels for the left and the two for the right. If you jumper the speaker and use one channel for left and one channel for the right, you get the same sound. Arguably, you might be able to play the left and right a little bit louder before amplifier clipping as you are wired now. But, in the average home, this is probably a moot point at normal listening levels. And, you normally want to balance the sound at equal sound pressure levels for home theater anyways.


As Paul and I have said, you really need different speakers and active crossovers or some outboard processing to really take advantage of bi-amping.
 

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I thought we covered the "jumper" dilemma a few days ago. There is no reason to bend the jumpers. Bend them back to normal and install them properly. I think that you should understand hooking the speakers up normally first and then bi-wire later just to see if you hear any difference. You will need more wire or a bi-wire. (a bi-wire has one + and one - at one end, and two + and two - at the other). If you want to do this you would remove only the jumpers between the mids and highs, leaving the jumpers in place between the lows and mids. You haven't been able to enjoy the center spkr yet hooked up normally. That is what you should be concentrating on for now!!

I dont know man something is wrong, i did bended it back like it was but im not home right now to check, i dont know but the sound coming

from the center is lacking something.. I dont know what to do


How do i check if the speaker is working properly?, i put my ear next to the tweeter and i hear that it works, then i put my ear next to the woofers and i hear that it works, what could it be.


Alsobi played nba 2k9 yesterday , the commentary was very low compared to the sound coming from the other speakers, but on the reciever the volume for the center is the highest of all speakers and its set to -6db
 

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How do i check if the speaker is working properly?

Run Audyssey again. If there is something wrong with your CC speaker, Audyssey will give you an error message.
 

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Agreed, run Audyssey again; or buy yourself a Radio Shack dB meter and measure, or both.


Maybe your left and right levels are too high. Bi-wiring is not the answer.
 

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I dont know i will see tonight wheni get home, while definitive sends me a pair of new jumpers, if i bi wire, its not gonna hurt anything right? Ill check a few guides on google and it looks really easy and i have extra wire hanging around aswell so ill just go for it yea? Ill re run auddysey right after ill finish the bi wiring.
 

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..............if i bi wire, its not gonna hurt anything right?

It won't hurt anything if you do it correctly.
 

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I thought we covered the "jumper" dilemma a few days ago. There is no reason to bend the jumpers. Bend them back to normal and install them properly. I think that you should understand hooking the speakers up normally first and then bi-wire later just to see if you hear any difference. You will need more wire or a bi-wire. (a bi-wire has one + and one - at one end, and two + and two - at the other). If you want to do this you would remove only the jumpers between the mids and highs, leaving the jumpers in place between the lows and mids. You haven't been able to enjoy the center spkr yet hooked up normally. That is what you should be concentrating on for now!!

Sorry....I own the CLR 2500 and it has the powered sub-woofer. I thought yours had the sub also. It does not. So you have two sets of binding posts. If you are going to bi-wire you would remove all of the jumpers between the low and high. The 2500 has three sets of binding posts.
 

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I dont know i will see tonight wheni get home, while definitive sends me a pair of new jumpers, if i bi wire, its not gonna hurt anything right? Ill check a few guides on google and it looks really easy and i have extra wire hanging around aswell so ill just go for it yea? Ill re run auddysey right after ill finish the bi wiring.

I would run Audyssey first. Why introduce a second set of variables? Problem solving 101.
 

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Why introduce a second set of variables

Because if he bi-wires AFTER running Audyssey, he WILL be introducing a potential variable, post-calibration. Whether bi-wiring should make a theoretical (or practical) difference or not is irrelevant. If he calibrates AFTER bi-wiring, then it is removed as a variable (a variable that affects calibration, anyway).
 

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I would run Audyssey first. Why introduce a second set of variables? Problem solving 101.


So when i get home i should put the jumpers back in place and re run auddysey?


If my speaker is defective then auddysey will detect it?


I have one question, as of until now i had the speaker wire coming from the reciever into the top post of terminals and then the jumpers transfer the signal to the low post. But yesterday i tried connecting the main speaker wire coming from the reciever into the lower post instead of the top post, with the jumper in place however there was no sound coming out from the speaker at all.. Could it be that i have a defective jumper or something? But but posts work fine because when i hooked up indiviually both the tweeter and the woofers work just fine.
 
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