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Tonight I had a second look at a different 5030, I didn't get a chance to check the THX mode on the previous 5030. The gamma is ~ 2.4 and a little too much for my preferences. The color gamut is also tweaked a bit but not bad. It's ok, but natural mode is better.<br><br>
Here's some quick observations:<br><br><ul class="bbcode_list"><li>The ideal mode for best 'out of the box' experience is the natural mode, low lamp, factory gamma setting. Grayscale still needs to be corrected, but not as much as when shifting to high lamp. This definitely needs a separate calibration. I like the memory modes that can be labeled, it makes it easy to select the preset calibration for 2D High / Low, 3D High, etc.<br><br></li>
<li>Color gamut performance is excellent for this price point, this is the 2nd copy I am calibrating from a different batch than the first and color gamut performance is consistent between these copies. Saturation tracking is even better than the Planar 8130 which I was using recently for reference color checks.<br><br></li>
<li>Gamma tracks fairly well and it's a good thing because setting the gamma is not a fun exercise.<br><br></li>
<li>Last year, the HW50 was a top pick for very good out of the box color gamut and gamma settings. The 5030 easily matches and possible exceeds this year. It also responds well to a color calibration through the glasses. It needs correction, but it's well within the limits of the built in controls for great looking color in 3D.<br><br></li>
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This is impressive for a projector in this price range, saturation tracking and luminance are well behaved. Overall color looks great after a grayscale calibration.<br><br><img alt="Epson5030-11.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/Epson5030-11.jpg">
 

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even though have moved on from the epson 9000. good to hear epson has maintained excellent performance out of box with newer models. most I suspect won't bother with a full calibration. our of box whack it on eco and thx and off you go <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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The only problem is that high lamp has dE's off the charts and definitely needs to be calibrated. It's very heavy on red and blue.<br><br>
For this projector, I'm creating a memory setting for 2D Natural eco/normal, 3D Cinema and a calibration for Living Room mode (2D + normal lamp)<br><br>
I wouldn't really recommend the THX mode, the gamma and color gamut aren't as good as the natural mode.
 

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even though have moved on from the epson 9000. good to hear epson has maintained excellent performance out of box with newer models. most I suspect won't bother with a full calibration. our of box whack it on eco and thx and off you go <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"></div>
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what projector do you have now?<br><br>
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The only problem is that high lamp has dE's off the charts and definitely needs to be calibrated. It's very heavy on red and blue.<br><br>
For this projector, I'm creating a memory setting for 2D Natural eco/normal, 3D Cinema and a calibration for Living Room mode (2D + normal lamp)<br><br>
I wouldn't really recommend the THX mode, the gamma and color gamut aren't as good as the natural mode.</div>
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eco lamp power and thx on mine measured really well out of box. intact to the point after calibration we went back to just out of box memory setting I setup and were surprised just how little difference there was post calibration.<br><br>
if using normal lamp power that would definitely impact with a bit of red push from memory <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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what projector do you have now?<br><br>
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hi john have an jvc x35,<br><br>
I posted some thoughts on in back here, comparing to the epson 9000w <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
<a href="http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/54020-jvc-long-weekend-with-some-comparisons-back-to-the-epson-9000w/" target="_blank">http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/54020-jvc-long-weekend-with-some-comparisons-back-to-the-epson-9000w/</a>
 

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hi john have an jvc x35,<br><br>
I posted some thoughts on in back here, comparing to the epson 9000w <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
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nice comparison...<img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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I have a BenQ 10000 and been thinking about upgrade for a year.<br>
This projector seems to be the first one to fit my criteria without breaking the bank. <img alt="rolleyes.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif">
 

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The Sony VW1000 arrived, who needs sleep anyway...<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000.jpg"><br><br>
if the Death Star had a home theater, the Sony would be Vadar's # 1 pick (or Lord Helmet from Spaceballs..)<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-1.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-1.jpg"><br><br>
4K All Range Crisp Focus Lens<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-2.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-2.jpg"><br><br>
The Justice League 'Hall of Projectors' where each member still has their own unique powers. <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><img alt="cool.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/cool.gif"><br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-4.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-4.jpg">
 

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The Sony VW1000 arrived, who needs sleep anyway...<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-4.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-4.jpg"></div>
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Pshhh, I've had more in my room at the same time... <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif"><br><br>
Looks like you're going to have some fun tonight!
 

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The Sony VW1000 arrived, who needs sleep anyway...<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000.jpg"><br><br>
if the Death Star had a home theater, the Sony would be Vadar's # 1 pick (or Lord Helmet from Spaceballs..)<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-1.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-1.jpg"><br><br>
4K All Range Crisp Focus Lens<br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-2.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-2.jpg"><br><br>
The Justice League 'Hall of Projectors' where each member still has their own unique powers. <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><img alt="cool.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/cool.gif"><br><br><img alt="SonyVW1000-4.jpg" class="bbcode_img" src="http://hometheaterphotos.com/projector2/SonyVW1000-4.jpg"></div>
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You are now officially spoiled. <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Sleep are for the weak <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
Is that the first time you will see the Sony VW1000 in action?
 

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Hey Jason, was just talking with Kevin and a <i><b>few</b></i> of his friends and we are on the way over to help you set that beast up since you don't have much experience. <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
Have fun! That is awesome! <img alt="cool.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/cool.gif">
 

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Sleep are for the weak <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
Is that the first time you will see the Sony VW1000 in action?</div>
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well technically it was last night for 8 straight hours, but yes... <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br><br>
it's exactly what I was expecting, very bright on the HP even in low lamp, grayscale and gamma are near dead on out of the box, color gamut needs some help from the lumagen. Intrascene contrast is very good, I have to spend some time comparing it to the Planar and JVC.<br><br>
upscaling is very good from 1080P content but RC is still a little too hot for my preferences. According to David @ HDTV Sony made a change with the VW500/600 to allow more RC tuning so I hope that makes it into the VW1100 upgrade motherboard.<br><br>
I really want to see real 4K content on this projector, that is where it's really going to shine in comparison to all the other projectors I have here. I need to grab a new video card this week, likely the AMD R9 290 for my Shuttle HTPC. or maybe a 2nd for crossfire and decent framerate UHD gaming would be cool to see.<br><br><br>
@ Todd - that is funny. I better straighten up, there are boxes and cables everywhere...
 

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OMG! How heavy is that thing? My JVC is ceiling mounted and I had enough trouble getting it there. That Sony looks like it needs a power hoist for ceiling mounting, or at least several members from your local gym.
 

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OMG! How heavy is that thing? My JVC is ceiling mounted and I had enough trouble getting it there. That Sony looks like it needs a power hoist for ceiling mounting, or at least several members from your local gym.</div>
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12 pounds heavier than a JVC. <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Oh my aching back! <img alt="eek.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/eek.gif">
 

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it can be turned off but then you just get basic scaling which is a bit too soft on the 142". Based on David's review of the VW500 it sounds like Sony put in the option to allow for the optimized scaling but turn off the RC processing. I'm hoping this makes it's way into the updated VW1100 motherboard, we'll have to wait a bit to find out unless we can get the info from Sony ahead of time.<br><br>
I'd like to experiment with using the HTPC for the scaling, i'm going to pick up a radeon R9 290 this week to add into my Shuttle HTPC. It has a core I7 with 32 GB ram and 256 GB OCZ SSD drive.<br><br>
I grabbed some 4K clips including the one in this thread:<br><br>
<a href="http://www.hd.club.tw/thread-112837-1-1.html" target="_blank">http://www.hd.club.tw/thread-112837-1-1.html</a>
 
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