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I'm hoping this makes it's way into the updated VW1100 motherboard, we'll have to wait a bit to find out unless we can get the info from Sony ahead of time.

Isn't the vw1100 release imminent. Any reason you didn't just wait for the vw1100?
 

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I suspect a killer deal or a calibration job. He didn't say he bought it.
 

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I suspect a killer deal or a calibration job. He didn't say he bought it.

This one is mine...



I'd like to find a service manual to see how buried the motherboard is, i'm hoping it can be removed from the bottom of the chassis during the upgrade so none of the internals are disturbed. Expect lots of close up photos of the 'operation'.
 

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i'm going to pick up a radeon R9 290 this week to add into my Shuttle HTPC.
Why not GTX 780 Ti? Why go with AMD?

P.S. I just went from HD6970 to GTX 770 yesterday and got rid of a lot of bugs I was experiencing. I can also now boot MacOS 10.9 Mavericks on my PC.
 

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Can anyone help out with a suggestion for a long hdmi run. It will be around 75 feet because I want to run it to my pc which has a gtx 760 in it with a haswell i7.



Anyone have any experience with extenders?
 

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I spent some more time with the 5030 this evening. I found some interesting behavior with the memory settings. If you calibrate living room mode high lamp and also 3D cinema mode, you must load the memory setting for each respective setting even though the projector will switch modes automatically between 2D and 3D.


The issue is that you will still have the RGB corrections for the previous mode and grayscale will be way off.


For example - here's the modes I programmed:


2D low Natural

2D High Natural

2D High Living room

3D High Cinema


If you use the memory settings for each 2D mode, it will switch grayscale settings with no problem. if I go into 3D mode, the 5030 will select '3D Cinema' (which is correct) but it will have the wrong grayscale setting. You must still load the memory setting for 3D. now the grayscale will be correct.


Then if you flip back to a 2D mode, same thing, you must select the memory setting for correct grayscale. Not sure if this is 'as-designed' or a bug, but it's important to note if you program different memory modes.


I went back and watched some 3D after a calibration through the glasses. The 3D is very impressive on this projector, especially at this low price point. The image is rock solid, definitely better than the Sony HW50 and the JVC's. I don't expect this to change with the new models. For those sensitive to flicker, this is as close to DLP as it gets, even vs. the VW1000 which has about the same perceived flicker at the HW30 and HW50.



Journey to the Mysterious Island is an excellent 3D BD for checking color and sharpness in 3D. Left eye through the RF glasses.


The Rock is clearly impressed with the 5030's 3D performance.






some quick center lumen measurements, 10 hours on the lamp.


The projector is 20 feet from the 142", farther than I usually keep them.



Low lamp Natural mode - (D65) - 519 lumens


High lamp natural mode - (D65) 698 lumens


High lamp Living room mode - (D65) - 1173 lumens


Gamma gets a little strange in Living room mode and needs adjusting a bit.






@ Elix - I just saw the 780 TI was released, that went to the short list quickly since I am not messing with aftermarket fans for the ATI.
 

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This one is mine...



I'd like to find a service manual to see how buried the motherboard is, i'm hoping it can be removed from the bottom of the chassis during the upgrade so none of the internals are disturbed. Expect lots of close up photos of the 'operation'.


Z10K


Congratulations with the 1000ES and welcome to the exclusive (but now poor
) member club of 1,000 owners


Im looking forward to hear your opinion about it.



dj
 

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Originally Posted by zombie10k  /t/1434826/sony-hw50-benq-w7000-epson-5020-jvc-rs55-jvc-rs-46-jvc-rs4810-jvc-rs56-mini-shootout-2012-2013/5070#post_23934400


I spent some more time with the 5030 this evening. I found some interesting behavior with the memory settings. If you calibrate living room mode high lamp and also 3D cinema mode, you must load the memory setting for each respective setting even though the projector will switch modes automatically between 2D and 3D.


The issue is that you will still have the RGB corrections for the previous mode and grayscale will be way off.


For example - here's the modes I programmed:


2D low Natural

2D High Natural

2D High Living room

3D High Cinema


If you use the memory settings for each 2D mode, it will switch grayscale settings with no problem. if I go into 3D mode, the 5030 will select '3D Cinema' (which is correct) but it will have the wrong grayscale setting. You must still load the memory setting for 3D. now the grayscale will be correct.


Then if you flip back to a 2D mode, same thing, you must select the memory setting for correct grayscale. Not sure if this is 'as-designed' or a bug, but it's important to note if you program different memory modes.


I went back and watched some 3D after a calibration through the glasses. The 3D is very impressive on this projector, especially at this low price point. The image is rock solid, definitely better than the Sony HW50 and the JVC's. I don't expect this to change with the new models. For those sensitive to flicker, this is as close to DLP as it gets, even vs. the VW1000 which has about the same perceived flicker at the HW30 and HW50.

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i dont understand this, here the 1000ES has a lot less flicker then the 30/50 ( to the point, that I normally dont see any flicker on it) ? what is different ? ( maybe because I use motionflow on low ? I will test without )


What software version do you have ( do you have the on/off toggle switch in the RC menu ? )


dj
 

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I spent some more time with the 5030 this evening. I found some interesting behavior with the memory settings. If you calibrate living room mode high lamp and also 3D cinema mode, you must load the memory setting for each respective setting even though the projector will switch modes automatically between 2D and 3D.


The issue is that you will still have the RGB corrections for the previous mode and grayscale will be way off.


For example - here's the modes I programmed:


2D low Natural

2D High Natural

2D High Living room

3D High Cinema


If you use the memory settings for each 2D mode, it will switch grayscale settings with no problem. if I go into 3D mode, the 5030 will select '3D Cinema' (which is correct) but it will have the wrong grayscale setting. You must still load the memory setting for 3D. now the grayscale will be correct.


Then if you flip back to a 2D mode, same thing, you must select the memory setting for correct grayscale. Not sure if this is 'as-designed' or a bug, but it's important to note if you program different memory modes.


I went back and watched some 3D after a calibration through the glasses. The 3D is very impressive on this projector, especially at this low price point. The image is rock solid, definitely better than the Sony HW50 and the JVC's. I don't expect this to change with the new models. For those sensitive to flicker, this is as close to DLP as it gets, even vs. the VW1000 which has about the same perceived flicker at the HW30 and HW50.



Journey to the Mysterious Island is an excellent 3D BD for checking color and sharpness in 3D. Left eye through the RF glasses.


The Rock is clearly impressed with the 5030's 3D performance.






some quick center lumen measurements, 10 hours on the lamp.


The projector is 20 feet from the 142", farther than I usually keep them.



Low lamp Natural mode - (D65) - 519 lumens


High lamp natural mode - (D65) 698 lumens


High lamp Living room mode - (D65) - 1173 lumens


Gamma gets a little strange in Living room mode and needs adjusting a bit.






That looks like great 3d..



Maybe i must sell my hw55 that i get today and buy this epson...
 

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i dont understand this, here the 1000ES has a lot less flicker then the 30/50 ( to the point, that I normally dont see any flicker on it) ? what is different ? ( maybe because I use motionflow on low ? I will test without )


What software version do you have ( do you have the on/off toggle switch in the RC menu ? )


dj

dj, I think my HP screen makes it stand out more, I have the VW1000 at near level for max gain. Contrast in 3D definitely looks good on the Sony. I have to charge up my MV3D's, I find the factory Sony glasses a bit uncomfortable


Have you seen a 3D DLP recently? It's remarkable how solid the image is in 3D mode although the Epson 5030 also does an excellent job in this regard. Even with the VW1000 I can still sense the slight flicker in 3D.


I'll check the software version and post it later tonight.
 

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zombie,


I must have missed it, but how long have you had the Sony VW1000?


If you've already done some comparisons between it and JVC projectors (e.g. black level/contrast and everything else) could you point me toward any of those posts? Thanks.
 

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Can anyone help out with a suggestion for a long hdmi run. It will be around 75 feet because I want to run it to my pc which has a gtx 760 in it with a haswell i7.



Anyone have any experience with extenders?

I've used this HDMI over Cat5e/6 extender up to 50 feet without any problems in the past. It's rated for 150 feet, but I've never tried it past 50. It requires two Cat5e cables, but they're also pretty cheap at Monoprice.
 

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I spent some more time with the 5030 this evening. I found some interesting behavior with the memory settings. If you calibrate living room mode high lamp and also 3D cinema mode, you must load the memory setting for each respective setting even though the projector will switch modes automatically between 2D and 3D.


The issue is that you will still have the RGB corrections for the previous mode and grayscale will be way off.


For example - here's the modes I programmed:


2D low Natural

2D High Natural

2D High Living room

3D High Cinema


If you use the memory settings for each 2D mode, it will switch grayscale settings with no problem. if I go into 3D mode, the 5030 will select '3D Cinema' (which is correct) but it will have the wrong grayscale setting. You must still load the memory setting for 3D. now the grayscale will be correct.


Then if you flip back to a 2D mode, same thing, you must select the memory setting for correct grayscale. Not sure if this is 'as-designed' or a bug, but it's important to note if you program different memory modes.


I went back and watched some 3D after a calibration through the glasses. The 3D is very impressive on this projector, especially at this low price point. The image is rock solid, definitely better than the Sony HW50 and the JVC's. I don't expect this to change with the new models. For those sensitive to flicker, this is as close to DLP as it gets, even vs. the VW1000 which has about the same perceived flicker at the HW30 and HW50.



Journey to the Mysterious Island is an excellent 3D BD for checking color and sharpness in 3D. Left eye through the RF glasses.


The Rock is clearly impressed with the 5030's 3D performance.






some quick center lumen measurements, 10 hours on the lamp.


The projector is 20 feet from the 142", farther than I usually keep them.



Low lamp Natural mode - (D65) - 519 lumens


High lamp natural mode - (D65) 698 lumens


High lamp Living room mode - (D65) - 1173 lumens


Gamma gets a little strange in Living room mode and needs adjusting a bit.






@ Elix - I just saw the 780 TI was released, that went to the short list quickly since I am not messing with aftermarket fans for the ATI.

Thanks for the warnings about needing to load calibrated memory settings on the Epson.


I saw Thor 2 in 3D at a commercial theater (DLP) last night. 3D looks much better (in almost every way) on the 5030 in my home.
 

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zombie,


I must have missed it, but how long have you had the Sony VW1000?


If you've already done some comparisons between it and JVC projectors (e.g. black level/contrast and everything else) could you point me toward any of those posts? Thanks.

About 72 hours....



I need a few days to get it dialed in and should have a chance to compare it to the RS55 soon. First impressions on perceived contrast is that it's quite good, especially intra-scene contrast. There is a fade to black scene in Oblivion that looks excellent on the Sony, zero bright corners that I can usually see on the JVC's including an X35 I have here. The HP makes it stand out, but it's impressive to see how uniform the panel is.



JC - I watched some scenes from Pacific Rim on the 5030, it was definitely better than the 'mini-imax' presentation at my local theater. Contrast and colors were a bit blah and I wanted to scream after being forced to use circular polarizing glasses, they were awful and could invoke crosstalk with just a bit of head movement.


The 5030 could end up with the non-DLP 3D crown this year, we have to see how the HW55 and new JVC's compare. So far though it gets a high score imo.
 

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The 5030 could end up with the non-DLP 3D crown this year, we have to see how the HW55 and new JVC's compare. So far though it gets a high score imo.
 

Sorry, if I missed it but how's the 2D of the 5030?  Especially relative to the 5020 and the HW50?
 

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Sorry, if I missed it but how's the 2D of the 5030? Especially relative to the 5020 and the HW50?

I've only seen 2 5030's so far but they both look better than the 5020's I saw last year. Cine4home mentioned some improvements in the optics and the pixels looks less blurred than before.


I think it can hold it own against the HW50 and exceeds it in some ways (appears more naturally sharp on my relatively large 142"). There is a wider price difference between the 5030 and HW55 and the Epson's keep getting better each year.


If I didn't already have the Sharp 30k, this would likely be my '3D projector' this year.
 

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If I didn't already have the Sharp 30k, this would likely be my '3D projector' this year.
 

Wow, that says a lot this early into the new shootout! Thanks for the info.
 

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This one is mine...



I'd like to find a service manual to see how buried the motherboard is, i'm hoping it can be removed from the bottom of the chassis during the upgrade so none of the internals are disturbed. Expect lots of close up photos of the 'operation'.

Why don't you jointly do this with Joerod? I think you should just let him bask in the glory of photographing and publishing innards pictures that he promised to do during his upgrade.. I just can't wait to see what goes on inside re motherboard replacement. Man the excitement of it all. I have had my 1000ES for about 2 years and have never even wanted to see its insides. There is a magic to being in love in the dark and I don't want to see the insides of my new baby after plastic surgery displayed like a play boy centerfold.
 

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There is a magic to being in love in the dark and I don't want to see the insides of my new baby after plastic surgery displayed like a play boy centerfold.
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How can the sight of this not get you excited?


Yeah, this is more like a Hustler shot...
 
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