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DNP does make a higher gain screen with far less sparkling than the SI Black Diamond materials. I honestly don't think people realize the difference in sparkle between BD materials and other ambient light rejecting screens.
Agreed. Their low gain screen actually uses a ton of gain so it's texture is extremely pronounced to my eyes.
But the worst SI demo I ever saw was a higher gain screen for ambient light (higher than their 1.4 as I remember), at a show. (I seem to remember it was recommended for 3D in particular). The screen texture was so bad, like dirty speckly water over the screen, I literally had trouble trying to "see through it" to the image, in terms of being able to just take in the image.

But as usual, there are trade-offs everywhere in projection, SI offers some great solutions to some ambient light problems, and I'd never use my own criteria to judge another person's who may have different requirements and different sensitivities. (For instance, I was terribly allergic to the off-axis performance of the HP screens, but many HP users say "what are you talking about, that isn't an issue for me," so if they'd gone on what bothered me they wouldn't have chosen a screen they are ultimately super happy with. Which is why we always say here that, especially with screens, see them for yourself whenever possible).
 
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Thanks for detailed reply. I have no experience with projectors. I am in the process of buying one and I need to select a screen for a media room that is fully light controlled but has white ceiling and light walls. As I understand in this case I need some ambient light rejection and Slate seems like a reasonable option. SI Pure White and Stewart Studiotek 100 do not offer any ambient light resistance. So the sparkling and hot-spotting obviously is a trade-off one might have to make depending on the room characteristics. As you said DNP Supernova 08-85 is only 0.8 gain (I want something brighter) and the screen size is limited to 120" (I want closer to 130" for 2.35:1 screen). So, if one does not have a perfect room one does not get a perfect picture :(
Yes, DNP also has a 2.3 gain screen (I have the 120" 16:9 version paired with my JVC X700 and I love it). Does it sparkle? Yes, it does, but it's not nearly as noticeable as other ALR screens (I presume this is due to one or more of the top layers working some magic).

You can order custom sizes from DNP, just give them a call, or shoot their US contact an email.

Another option is EPV DarkStar. It's the only other ALR material that I've seen (and I've seen most) that I could live with.

DNP 08-85 (.8 gain)
DNP 23-23 or HG23 (2.3 gain)
EPV DarkStar 9 (.9 gain)
EPV DarkStar (1.4 gain)

All of those are good choices, depending on what projector you have. If you have a dimmer projector then get the 1.4 or 2.3 gain material. If you have a brighter projector, go with the .8 or .9, or even the 1.4 gain material. The DarkStar 1.4 gain is a good medium point for giving you a little extra brightness and retaining black levels well.

Just make sure you can accommodate a throw distance of 1.8:1 for both DNP & EPV, else you run the risk of hotspotting.

Also, if you need extremely wide viewing angles, that will need to be taken into consideration as well. There's quite a few factors to think about, and there's no single screen/projector combo that will do it all the best. You really need at least 2 projectors and 2 screens for the best daytime and nighttime viewing, but that's impractical for most.

If I could do it all over again, I would probably just get a cheap bright DLP such as the BenQ HT1075 and a DNP .8 or DarkStar .9 or 1.4 and call it a day. Just get the projector first, and request some screen samples and see what looks best to you, in your viewing environment. That's the best advice one can really give. You need to see it with your own two eyes before making a blind purchase based on others recommendations, as there's just too many variables involved.
 

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Maybe the next version of Optoma's LED projector (the one after the HD91+) will be worth purchasing. Here's a review of the HD91+.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/optoma-hd91-plus-review
You know Optoma has a bad DI implementation when a reviewer takes up the better part of an entire page to talk about it. Optoma has no excuse. They've had the better part of a decade to figure out what most other companies have done years ago,
 

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Agreed. Their low gain screen actually uses a ton of gain so it's texture is extremely pronounced to my eyes.
But the worst SI demo I ever saw was a higher gain screen for ambient light (higher than their 1.4 as I remember), at a show. (I seem to remember it was recommended for 3D in particular). The screen texture was so bad, like dirty speckly water over the screen, I literally had trouble trying to "see through it" to the image, in terms of being able to just take in the image.

Not sure if it was the same screen, but perhaps so as I saw one of their screens on demo at Best Buy- Magnolia as that "dirty speckly water over the screen" look was so bad, I would have to stick to an 80" LED flat panel before watching anything on something like that.
 

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Yes, if I recall, it has a little tighter weave than XD. Throws a nice image, but you do need to have 10' or more viewing distance.
Is the weave on the SI Maestro is more or less noticeable compared to the XD? I should have a sample of it soon and look forward to testing its acoustical properties and gain compared to the XD. Will report back.
 

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3D Glasses for JVC 6710

@Mike Garrett ; Just sent you an email. Looks like the 2 pairs of 3D glasses that came with the projector were busted. The left lens on both were shattered. Must have been the shipping or possibly the packaging?

@zombie10k ; or anyone else; While I'm waiting on those to be replaced, what's the best 3D glasses to get?
 

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@Mike Garrett ; Just sent you an email. Looks like the 2 pairs of 3D glasses that came with the projector were busted. The left lens on both were shattered. Must have been the shipping or possibly the packaging?

@zombie10k ; or anyone else; While I'm waiting on those to be replaced, what's the best 3D glasses to get?
The glasses that JVC uses with the stock emitter are special, in that, they are horizontally polarized to match the DiLA panels inside the projector. Most 3D glasses out there are vertically polarized. If you don't want to replace the glasses with stock JVC glasses (which can be expensive), XPand makes horizontally polarized glasses to be used specifically with JVC units. In fact, I think Xpand is the company who manufacturers JVC's stock glasses.

With that said, vertically polarized glasses will still work with your JVC, it's just that they don't work quite as well and the horizontally polarized glasses will give a better "3D effect" or at least that's how the experience between using both types of glasses has been described by those who've compared the two on a JVC projector.
 

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The glasses that JVC uses with the stock emitter are special, in that, they are horizontally polarized to match the DiLA panels inside the projector. Most 3D glasses out there are vertically polarized. If you don't want to replace the glasses with stock JVC glasses (which can be expensive), XPand makes horizontally polarized glasses to be used specifically with JVC units. In fact, I think Xpand is the company who manufacturers JVC's stock glasses.

With that said, vertically polarized glasses will still work with your JVC, it's just that they don't work quite as well and the horizontally polarized glasses will give a better "3D effect" or at least that's how the experience between using both types of glasses has been described by those who've compared the two on a JVC projector.
Doesnt this depend on the screen that u use from what i understand if screen doesnt hold polarity either will work the same
 

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Doesnt this depend on the screen that u use from what i understand if screen doesnt hold polarity either will work the same
With active 3D, I don't think you need a screen that holds polarity. I'm pretty sure this is only needed for passive 3D.
 

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What i was trying to say is if a screen doesnt hold polarity the aftermarket xpand glasses should work the same as jvc glasses
There's a lengthy discussion about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/1508581-consensus-best-3d-glasses-emitter-jvcs.html

Apparently if you change the orientation of vertical polarized glasses 90 degrees you can make out the difference between the two implementations and it's a visible one. Horizontal polarization is the way to go if you want the best "3D effect" with JVC projectors. I was like you and didn't think it mattered but from people who've tested both out say it does make a difference.
 

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There's a lengthy discussion about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/1508581-consensus-best-3d-glasses-emitter-jvcs.html

Apparently if you change the orientation of vertical polarized glasses 90 degrees you can make out the difference between the two implementations and it's a visible one. Horizontal polarization is the way to go if you want the best "3D effect" with JVC projectors. I was like you and didn't think it mattered but from people who've tested both out say it does make a difference.
I use the regular expand glasses the next time i watch 3d I'll try flipping them but from what i understand the only way this will make a difference is if screen holds polarity which mine dont
 

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@Mike Garrett ; Just sent you an email. Looks like the 2 pairs of 3D glasses that came with the projector were busted. The left lens on both were shattered. Must have been the shipping or possibly the packaging?

@zombie10k ; or anyone else; While I'm waiting on those to be replaced, what's the best 3D glasses to get?
Got your email. I will get you replacements. Sorry about the damage.
 

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I have a set of the JVC glasses that ship with the 6710, they look basically the same on the HP vs. the Xpand RF glasses I have here that are not horizontally aligned. we know the HP doesn't retain any polarization but 3D effect to me seems identical.

it's hard to believe these are still available for so cheap, they ship with the RF emitter as well. 100% compatible with the JVC.

http://www.amazon.com/EX105BT-Shutter-Bluetooth-Mitsubishi-Televisions/dp/B009ZW7SR2

i'm not crazy about these xpand (jvc) glasses, they are a bit too tight near the ears and could use larger lenses. Sharp G20's are still the benchmark by a long shot compared to just about every set of glasses I've had here.
 

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I have a set of the JVC glasses that ship with the 6710, they look basically the same on the HP vs. the Xpand RF glasses I have here that are not horizontally aligned. we know the HP doesn't retain any polarization but 3D effect to me seems identical.

it's hard to believe these are still available for so cheap, they ship with the RF emitter as well. 100% compatible with the JVC.

http://www.amazon.com/EX105BT-Shutter-Bluetooth-Mitsubishi-Televisions/dp/B009ZW7SR2

i'm not crazy about these xpand (jvc) glasses, they are a bit too tight near the ears and could use larger lenses. Sharp G20's are still the benchmark by a long shot compared to just about every set of glasses I've had here.
Can these be used with the rF estar glasses? These are really inexpensive but I need to know if I can use both at the same time.
 

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The glasses that JVC uses with the stock emitter are special, in that, they are horizontally polarized to match the DiLA panels inside the projector. Most 3D glasses out there are vertically polarized. If you don't want to replace the glasses with stock JVC glasses (which can be expensive), XPand makes horizontally polarized glasses to be used specifically with JVC units. In fact, I think Xpand is the company who manufacturers JVC's stock glasses.

With that said, vertically polarized glasses will still work with your JVC, it's just that they don't work quite as well and the horizontally polarized glasses will give a better "3D effect" or at least that's how the experience between using both types of glasses has been described by those who've compared the two on a JVC projector.
I have a set of the JVC glasses that ship with the 6710, they look basically the same on the HP vs. the Xpand RF glasses I have here that are not horizontally aligned. we know the HP doesn't retain any polarization but 3D effect to me seems identical.

it's hard to believe these are still available for so cheap, they ship with the RF emitter as well. 100% compatible with the JVC.

http://www.amazon.com/EX105BT-Shutter-Bluetooth-Mitsubishi-Televisions/dp/B009ZW7SR2

i'm not crazy about these xpand (jvc) glasses, they are a bit too tight near the ears and could use larger lenses. Sharp G20's are still the benchmark by a long shot compared to just about every set of glasses I've had here.

What about the XPAND X105-RF-X1? Are those the same? Are they horizontally aligned? Can I use them with the JVC's emitter or do you have to use theirs? And if you have to use theirs, would the JVC glasses work on it?

It also looks like the Mitsubishi X105BT might be the same model but a few buck cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=
 

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What about the XPAND X105-RF-X1? Are those the same? Are they horizontally aligned? Can I use them with the JVC's emitter or do you have to use theirs? And if you have to use theirs, would the JVC glasses work on it?

It also looks like the Mitsubishi X105BT might be the same model but a few buck cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=
This is the horizontally polarized Xpand gear that I use with my JVC X700 & DNP 23-23:
- 3-D Emitter: Xpand AD025-RF-X1
- 3-D Glasses: Xpand X105-RF-X3 (horizontally polarized)
 

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What about the XPAND X105-RF-X1? Are those the same? Are they horizontally aligned? Can I use them with the JVC's emitter or do you have to use theirs? And if you have to use theirs, would the JVC glasses work on it?

It also looks like the Mitsubishi X105BT might be the same model but a few buck cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFO4XSA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=
The Mitsubishi bluetooth glasses is what i use but u need to find out if the screen u use holds polarity or not if it hold polarity u need the ones just like the jvcs
 

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If I could do it all over again, I would probably just get a cheap bright DLP such as the BenQ HT1075 and a DNP .8 or DarkStar .9 or 1.4 and call it a day. Just get the projector first, and request some screen samples and see what looks best to you, in your viewing environment. That's the best advice one can really give. You need to see it with your own two eyes before making a blind purchase based on others recommendations, as there's just too many variables involved.

Wow! The BenQ HT1075, instead of the JVC. So, the lower gain ALR screens become more important than the projector. Have you checked out the F2 and/or F3 sample of the Microlite screens yet? One of these, combined with a JVC, might be the ticket!


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