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Maybe the most important consideration for watching with some lighting on, is to try and have lighting that won't shine directly on the screen. Recessed can lights and dimmers that shine straight down onto tables really help. And having different zones on separate dimmers, so only the lights that need to be on are on. That is my recommendation.

Thanks! Thats exactly how i have it set up. LED Can lights with 5 different zones and dimmers on everything!
 

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So, I got to view an Epson 6050 side by side a Sony 295es with my wife this weekend in Nashville. The setup was in a theater room of a retail store. But there was glass french door behind the projector and 2 rows of Track lighting on the ceiling. We played with the room lighting and could simulate how both the Sony and the Epson look in both controlled and not controlled lighting on a 110" white screen.

I thought the epson was slightly brighter over all. To me, this was not as noticeable as i anticipated. After the fact, my wife said she didn't notice a big difference in brightness. The 295es got a slight edge for contrast when watching a Transformers 1080 blue ray. In dim lighting the Sony looked amazing for the movie. In hind sight, i wished i would have spent more time comparing dark room performance of the Epson. Both performed fine for sports (soccer). So i don't see motion as a problem with either one.

I didn't really get to dig in on the settings because the cheesy salesman was selling sony hard. It wasn't a direct comparison, we took the 6050 off a shelf and fired it up for its first hours on a cart. The sony was hanging on the ceiling. Supposedly it was on low lamp, and i assume the 6050 boots up initially in low lamp but... who really knows.

We both did notice you loose a little bit of the clarity and vibrance coming from a TV. But the size jump experience seems to more than make up for it.


The great news is our concerns about whether projection is right for us is totally answered. We are going PJ.

My understanding is the Sony 295es is comparable to the JVC NX5.

So i guess it comes down to the trade off... little bit of brightness or little bit of picture contrast. The Epson 6050 is probably the cheapest option but i haven't really dug into pricing. I'll also need to consider screen options- ALR vs white.
The JVC RS1000/NX5 is more comparable to the VW695 than it is to the 295.

RS1000/NX5 vs 295
JVC has more lumens
JVC has better native contrast
JVC has dynamic iris
JVC has slightly sharper lens
JVC has lens memory
JVC has dynamic tone mapping

There will be a shootout in Colorado next month between the RS1000/NX5 and the VW695.
 

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The JVC RS1000/NX5 is more comparable to the VW695 than it is to the 295.

RS1000/NX5 vs 295
JVC has more lumens
JVC has better native contrast
JVC has dynamic iris
JVC has slightly sharper lens
JVC has lens memory
JVC has dynamic tone mapping

There will be a shootout in Colorado next month between the RS1000/NX5 and the VW695.
Thanks! Im kinda leaning towards the NX5... at worst i have to add another cheap laser projector down the road for parties and daytime... It's only money right?:rolleyes:
 

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The JVC RS1000/NX5 is more comparable to the VW695 than it is to the 295.



RS1000/NX5 vs 295

JVC has more lumens

JVC has better native contrast

JVC has dynamic iris

JVC has slightly sharper lens

JVC has lens memory

JVC has dynamic tone mapping



There will be a shootout in Colorado next month between the RS1000/NX5 and the VW695.

I’d be interested in seeing this. Has a location been determined?


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Thank you Mike.


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The TK800M has a minimum throw ratio of 1.5x with an 110% offset. The JVC will be at ~1.72x. The beam from the JVC might hit the TK800M. It's also not black.
I noted the compatible models in post 116.
The use of 4K/HLG for sports broadcasts was the primary point of interest. The UHD52ALV has more placement options as does the TK850.
 

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The use of 4K/HLG for sports broadcasts was the primary point of interest. The UHD52ALV has more placement options as does the TK850.
What is the point of it if that model does not fit in the setup? The projector would also need to have a black case. As I mentioned in post 116, the UHD51ALV is the only 4K projector that can do that.
 

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The TK800M has a minimum throw ratio of 1.5x with an 110% offset. The JVC will be at ~1.72x. The beam from the JVC might hit the TK800M. It's also not black.
I noted the compatible models in post 116.
Hey thanks, yeah i was just running the numbers myself. Thanks!
And I'm not sure why they chose to make the TK800M look like the original iMac...hah!

Im really kind hoping to avoid the multi projector setup in all honesty. I'm kind hoping that i can deal with the drawbacks of either the JVC or the 6050, whichever i choose.

My taller ceiling is 105" and lower ceiling is 92.5". Assuming a top of screen height of 87.5" (See attached)

The JVC has an 80% vertical offset ( i couldn't find the Epson 6050s vertical offset) So after math, the center of the lens can be 19" above the screen. I will have approximately 17.5" difference from ceiling height to top of screen. It should tuck up there nicely.
 

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Hey thanks, yeah i was just running the numbers myself. Thanks!
And I'm not sure why they chose to make the TK800M look like the original iMac...hah!

Im really kind hoping to avoid the multi projector setup in all honesty. I'm kind hoping that i can deal with the drawbacks of either the JVC or the 6050, whichever i choose.

My taller ceiling is 105" and lower ceiling is 92.5". Assuming a top of screen height of 87.5" (See attached)

The JVC has an 80% vertical offset ( i couldn't find the Epson 6050s vertical offset) So after math, the center of the lens can be 19" above the screen. I will have approximately 17.5" difference from ceiling height to top of screen. It should tuck up there nicely.
You mean 80% lens shift range. Offset is a fixed amount. You really do not want to be using all of the lens shift on any of these projectors. Also if you use any horizontal lens shift, it subtracts from the available vertical lens shift. Same for vertical subtracting from horizontal. Think of it like a circle with a dot in the center. The dot represents the lens of the projector and the circle is the limits of the lens shift. If you move the dot horizontally until it touches the circle, using all of the horizontal lens shift, the dot has zero vertical movement available.
 

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Really? 120" is too small? I would be at or slightly behind (12") the THX min viewing distance from the couch.
Many members of the forum view larger screens from the same or closer distance. THX is a just a recommendation.

This chart shows that you won't be getting full benefit of 4K at that size:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

but the main thing is that the room itself is very large and you want to have lots of people viewing the image, and so it should be as large as possible. I'm viewing a ~145in screen at the same distance. Early in the thread I showed a UHD52ALV projecting onto a ~200in screen, now that might be overkill, but the image itself looked great.
 

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Hey thanks, yeah i was just running the numbers myself. Thanks!
And I'm not sure why they chose to make the TK800M look like the original iMac...hah!

Im really kind hoping to avoid the multi projector setup in all honesty. I'm kind hoping that i can deal with the drawbacks of either the JVC or the 6050, whichever i choose.

My taller ceiling is 105" and lower ceiling is 92.5". Assuming a top of screen height of 87.5" (See attached)

The JVC has an 80% vertical offset ( i couldn't find the Epson 6050s vertical offset) So after math, the center of the lens can be 19" above the screen. I will have approximately 17.5" difference from ceiling height to top of screen. It should tuck up there nicely.
The JVC has 80% vertical lens shift and Epson 5050/6050UB 96%. This is calculated from the center of the screen, and the percentage is taken from the height of the screen. These projectors don't really have offset the same way DLP projectors with limited lens shift have.

I've done the numbers on previous pages.

The reason a dual projector setup might be required is once you get to see how nice a large image looks like, the projector will be used all the time. JVC lamps are expensive (~$500 roughly), with Epson's about half.

A cheap 1080p lamp based DLP projector are priced just over the cost of a JVC lamp. A used one is half, but you might not find one with a black case. A 4K DLP are more expensive, lasers more, etc.
 

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The JVC has 80% vertical lens shift and Epson 5050/6050UB 96%. This is calculated from the center of the screen, and the percentage is taken from the height of the screen. These projectors don't really have offset the same way DLP projectors with limited lens shift have.

I've done the numbers on previous pages.

The reason a dual projector setup might be required is once you get to see how nice a large image looks like, the projector will be used all the time. JVC lamps are expensive (~$500 roughly), with Epson's about half.

A cheap 1080p lamp based DLP projector are priced just over the cost of a JVC lamp. A used one is half, but you might not find one with a black case. A 4K DLP are more expensive, lasers more, etc.
Can you give me the short answer about what height ideally i would need to mount the NX5 or 6050. Top of my screen will be roughly 87.5" Like in a perfect scenario the lens is at the top of the screen.... etc.

Does lens shift have any drawbacks like keystone correction does?

I see your point about bulb life. 1000 hours on a bulb equates to a new bulb / year at ~20 hours/week. I don't see myself down there that often but i wouldn't be shocked if its an awesome viewing experience either. Just thinking out loud here.... id replace a $300 bulb every year to not need another projector.... But this doesn't consider usuability/ startup and brightness.
 

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If the Sony was already mounted in their demo room chances are it’s also calibrated which I doubt the Epson was if they lifted it off the shelf. Ask anyone with the Epson that had theirs calibrated they will tell you there’s a world of difference.

On a plus note it’s great you are won over to the whole PJ experience, no matter which one you end up with you will never look back, not only movies but sporting events will never be the same again.

Here’s my Epson with the exact same image for a YouTube 4K demo.

Pre Calibrated
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3kgrlzt0jjeqn9/Photo 03-05-2019, 20 14 57.jpg?dl=0

After Calibration
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8g8i3hr95ue7crn/Photo 02-02-2020, 00 22 52.jpg?dl=0

Not only are the blacks better but the colours are now accurate.
Is it weird that i kind of prefer the pre- calibrated image..? Guess that's why i prefer samsung LCD to sony LCD. For some reason color accuracy just isn't big on my list. I like the poppier comic book colors. However i bet i would prefer the post calibrated version in a dark scene.
 
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