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I just put online the results of a direct shootout between the EPSON EH-TW7200, the JVC DLA-X500 and the SONY VPL-HW55ES.


After the studdy about 15 points of comparaison, the SONY VPL-HW55ES is our best choice :


You can discover the shootout with a lots of PICS here :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2014/03/02/test-comparatif-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-vpl-hw55es-vs-epson-eh-tw7200/


google translation :

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2014%2F03%2F02%2Ftest-comparatif-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-vpl-hw55es-vs-epson-eh-tw7200%2F


DVD comparaison for exemple :

 

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Excellent Shootout, thanks for sharing.


The article stated the measures were taken in a 2.30m screen, so i presume it was a 106" screen?


Regarding the native contrast, both the Sony and JVC were measure with "low fashion lamp, fixed iris fully open".

Could you estimate how would be the brightness and contrast measures if the iris would be closed in both JVC and the Sony (Maintaining the lamp in the LOW mode)?
 

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JVC DLA-X500: 7381:1 on: off
I realize it's iris wide open but still... isn't that less than what previous models was measured?

I sense a bias towards Sony here.

Also, all projectors were presumably calibrated to D65. Why such difference?

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SONY VPL-HW55ES: 29dB


EPSON EH-TW7200 30 DB


JVC DLA-X500: 30.5 DB
Does half a decibel provide for 1 point of difference in score? A rhetorical question.


I'm sorry but in a serious point-based review each criteria would be given a weight, for example, contrast is 10x multiplier, color is 7x, noise is 2x multipler and menus are 1x multiplier. It's just my opinion, but you can't compare each of these criteria (build quality, brightness, contrast, color performance etc. etc.) and make them look like they're of equal importance and sum up all points for a total score...
 

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Originally Posted by Elix  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es/0_50#post_24434012


JVC DLA-X500: 7381:1 on: off
I realize it's iris wide open but still... isn't that less than what previous models was measured?

I sense a bias towards Sony here.

Yes, either the pj or the measurement must be defective.
 

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The X500 should get at least 25,000:1 with the iris open and 45,000:1 closed from reports. But contrast ratio isn't everything
 

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Kraine, you most likely forgot the most important category for most people -- PRICE!


JVC = 1 out of 5

Sony = 3 out of 5

Epson = 5 out of 5


Not that this would change the overall final positioning. The JVC is 250% more expensive than the Epson and the fact that the Epson is even in the same test is very telling. The Sony is over 50% more expensive. Were you comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges?


For disclosure purposes I do own a number of Epson projectors but I also own several others including Mits., Sharp, Panasonic and Acer.
 

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Originally Posted by Deja Vu  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es#post_24437297


Kraine, you most likely forgot the most important category for most people -- PRICE!


JVC = 1 out of 5

Sony = 3 out of 5

Epson = 5 out of 5


Not that this would change the overall final positioning. The JVC is 250% more expensive than the Epson and the fact that the Epson is even in the same test is very telling. The Sony is over 50% more expensive. Were you comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges?


For disclosure purposes I do own a number of Epson projectors but I also own several others including Mits., Sharp, Panasonic and Acer.

The JVC MSRP is not 250% higher than the MSRP price of the Epson. Also the MSRP and the street price of the Epson is the same. That would put the MSRP of the JVC at $6,497.5. The MSRP is quite a bit lower and the street is even lower. Not arguing that the Epson is not a good value, because it is a good value. A lot of projector for the money. The lack of lens memory, makes it a non starter for anyone wanting a CIH setup. Same goes for the Sony.
 

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Either the JVC is defective, or your contrast measurements are way off for whatever reason. Every other measurement/report is MUCH higher than that even with some older models like the RS40! I am not familiar enough with the other projectors, but contrast readings on all three seem low..........
 

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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es#post_24437444


The JVC MSRP is not 250% higher than the MSRP price of the Epson. Also the MSRP and the street price of the Epson is the same. That would put the MSRP of the JVC at $6,497.5. The MSRP is quite a bit lower and the street is even lower. Not arguing that the Epson is not a good value, because it is a good value. A lot of projector for the money. The lack of lens memory, makes it a non starter for anyone wanting a CIH setup. Same goes for the Sony.

1,999 Pounds vs. 4,999 Pounds is not 250%? This is not a U.S. only site -- there are a lot of members here from other places that are subject to different pricing. I believe you should qualify your comments. Also, I have never paid the MSRP for an Epson. We can argue over pricing until the cows come home. However, there is a significant difference in price between all three of these projectors. If the price differential with respect to projectors costing $10,000 or less was only $500 then I'd give in and say it's a fair contest. If the price differential is $1,000 or more then we're not talking about projectors in the same pricing category unless we're talking in the above $20,000 forum where nobody cares about pricing. There's a larger pricing difference between the Epson and JVC (given the figures used in the review) than there is between the Epson and an Optoma LV-25. Should the Optoma LV-25 be compared to the Epson? I guess so and if the LV-25 compares favourably then I guess its a great buy -- in fact why would anyone even look at an Epson when you could buy something at a fraction of the price, which is for all intents and purposes just as good (assuming the LV-25 tested very favourably to the Epson)? One thing is for sure -- if the review is accurate then the Sony (as winner) looks like a tremendous buy when compared to the JVC. If the review is not particularly accurate then the whole discussion and ensuing arguments about these three projectors is moot.
 

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I generally agree with most of what is in the review but each category can't be weighted equally like already mentioned. Some factors like picture quality should be weighted more than issues like fan noise, menus, etc.
 

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Originally Posted by Deja Vu  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es#post_24437887


1,999 Pounds vs. 4,999 Pounds is not 250%? This is not a U.S. only site -- there are a lot of members here from other places that are subject to different pricing. I believe you should qualify your comments. Also, I have never paid the MSRP for an Epson. We can argue over pricing until the cows come home. However, there is a significant difference in price between all three of these projectors. If the price differential with respect to projectors costing $10,000 or less was only $500 then I'd give in and say it's a fair contest. If the price differential is $1,000 or more then we're not talking about projectors in the same pricing category unless we're talking in the above $20,000 forum where nobody cares about pricing. There's a larger pricing difference between the Epson and JVC (given the figures used in the review) than there is between the Epson and an Optoma LV-25. Should the Optoma LV-25 be compared to the Epson? I guess so and if the LV-25 compares favourably then I guess its a great buy -- in fact why would anyone even look at an Epson when you could buy something at a fraction of the price, which is for all intents and purposes just as good (assuming the LV-25 tested very favourably to the Epson)? One thing is for sure -- if the review is accurate then the Sony (as winner) looks like a tremendous buy when compared to the JVC. If the review is not particularly accurate then the whole discussion and ensuing arguments about these three projectors is moot.

I missed that the Epson model was the 4030 and not the 5030. I did not qualify my pricing as US, but then you did not qualify your pricing was based on pounds.
Here in the US, the street price of a JVC RS4910 is not 250% the street price of an Epson 4030, more like 154%.
 

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Originally Posted by xb1032  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es#post_24438109


I generally agree with most of what is in the review but each category can't be weighted equally like already mentioned. Some factors like picture quality should be weighted more than issues like fan noise, menus, etc.

Fan noise can be very distracting, so is important to me. The Sony is nearly inaudible.
 

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Fan noise can be very distracting, so is important to me. The Sony is nearly inaudible.

I agree that fan noise is important but to most it's not going to be equally as important as picture quality. As far as noise is concerned your environment is going to dictate the importance of that as well. I had the HW50 and it is definitely more quiet than my RS4910 but now that the HW50 has been gone for a few weeks it's not that noticeable in my environment when watching a movie.
 

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...would it not be easier to just build a housing enclosure for the epson so that the noise can be controlled to a certain degree?...
 

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...would it not be easier to just build a housing enclosure for the epson so that the noise can be controlled to a certain degree?...
That is exactly what I was prepared to do if needed for my 5030UB - the projector is mounted close to the ceiling which is currently open to the rafters, so it would be dead simple to put one together while framing the drop ceiling for the room perimeter. I was very pleased to find out that I don't find the high lamp fan noise (when used) at all objectionable, so for me that's not going to be necessary.
 

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1,999 Pounds vs. 4,999 Pounds is not 250%?
4999 is 150% more than 1999, or 250% of 1999.
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I generally agree with most of what is in the review but each category can't be weighted equally like already mentioned.
I remember years ago Greg Rogers (reviewing for Widescreen Review at the time) mentioned that he had tried coming up with a scoring system or number of factors that favored one projector, but that what he had found up until then was that his eyes preferred the projector with the better CR regardless of the scores or how many categories the other projector won.


I honestly don't know why these JVCs get measured with such low on/off CRs when Kraine measures them. I've posted about this before. I don't believe the answer is white walls because the physics and math there are pretty simple (1.1x/1.1y still equals x/y) despite many people's claims that white walls by themselves cause bad on/off CR. I wouldn't expect measurements to be this low even in a white room unless there are other light sources or the brightness of the projector has been raised so that what comes out on an all black image is quite a bit brighter than what comes out with Hide.


--Darin
 

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Originally Posted by darinp2  /t/1520774/projectors-shootout-epson-eh-tw7200-vs-jvc-dla-x500-vs-sony-hw55es#post_24440926


4999 is 150% more than 1999, or 250% of 1999.

I remember years ago Greg Rogers (reviewing for Widescreen Review at the time) mentioned that he had tried coming up with a scoring system or number of factors that favored one projector, but that what he had found up until then was that his eyes preferred the projector with the better CR regardless of the scores or how many categories the other projector won.


I honestly don't know why these JVCs get measured with such low on/off CRs when Kraine measures them. I've posted about this before. I don't believe the answer is white walls because the physics and math there are pretty simple (1.1x/1.1y still equals x/y) despite many people's claims that white walls by themselves cause bad on/off CR. I wouldn't expect measurements to be this low even in a white room unless there are other light sources or the brightness of the projector has been raised so that what comes out on an all black image is quite a bit brighter than what comes out with Hide.


--Darin

I believe you're right about the higher contrast -- it probably counts for triple compared to other categories. I think the same applies to some extent to ghost-free for 3D. I'll give up some contrast (up to a point) and other things for a ghost-free 3D image. Contrast doesn't seem to be as big a factor for 3D as it is for 2D due to the large loss of light (I would guess).
 
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