Our native mobile app has a new name: Fora Communities. Learn more.

PS3 only Player that can have profile updated?

1466 Views 14 Replies 10 Participants Last post by Jiffylush, Jan 15, 2008

Will Munshower

Discussion Starter · Jan 14, 2008

You will have to excuse me, since I have been a red fan for a while. I seem to be confusing firmware updates and profile updates on red and blue machines.

Is the PS3 the only player that can have its profile updated? I would rather have a standalone machine but if it is the only one capable of this feat, I think I'm going to go that route.

I have been searching around trying to find the answer but since the terminology between the two formats seems fairly different, it is confusing to me. Any help that can be rendered would be appreciated.

Also, should I care? I really don't take advantage of extras but their seems to be some inconsistency with the audio that certain players can bitstream. I am especially a big fan of DTS HD MA. If a player is incapable of doing that, it is a deal breaker. Another thing...If I opt for a profile 1.0 machine, will newer releases not play? Same question for a 1.1 player?

If it helps, I have an HDMI 1.3a AVR and an HDMI 1.2 SXRD XBR2. I own an XA2, so good upconversion is not important at all.

I would have posted in the sticky forum but posts seem to get buried quickly there. Forgive me if I committed a faux pas.

Thanks in advance...Will

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

Beerstalker

· #2 · Jan 14, 2008

The way that I understand it, to be profile 2.0 compliant a player has to have an ethernet port, and a certain amount of storage space available. Right now the PS3 is the only one that meets both of those requirements, and Sony announced at CES that there will be an update soon that will make the PS3 profile 2.0 compliant.

Right now the PS3 can decode Dolby TrueHD and send it out as LPCM. It cannot do this with DTS-HD MA, and there is some debate over if it will ever be able to. Sony has not made any comments about this so far.

djorijun

· #3 · Jan 14, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadbury8 /forum/post/12809929

for instance BD profile 2.0 would require an internet connection for you to get special features via the internet. So this would mean at the very least the player would have to have an ethernet port built into it. So as you can see a player that was designed for profile 1.0 and didnt have at the very least an ethernet port would not have the ability to become a profile 2.0 machine via a firmware upgrade as it doesnt have the hardware needed for profile 2.0.

not very complicated is it?

did i lose you? hehehe.

as it stands right now the PS3 is the only piece of equipment out there with the best chance to become firmware upgradable to profile 2.0. However as of right now i consider this vaporware. It has not happened.

the audio your looking for is thought to be able to be given to the PS3 via a firmware upgrade. however i condider this vaporware also as it has not happened.

So to sum up... I think your going to be waiting for a while for what you want in a product.

Ok wait so does this mean that my Sammy BD P1400 can have 2.0 because it has a built in ethernet port?

rwestley

· #4 · Jan 14, 2008

I spent some time speaking to the people at DTS regarding offering DTSMA on the PS3.

No promises were given but there were hints. I was told that Sony was very interested in upgrading the PS3 to decode DTSMA and that DTS has been in contact with Sony. I was also told that it might be part of a futrue fimware upgrade. It was also confirmed that the PS3 cannot and will not be able to output DolbyHD and DTS MA bitstream beacause of hardaware issues. This has been confirmed by others. I don't know if it will happen but it might be important to reach 2.0.

ADGrant

· #5 · Jan 14, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadbury8 /forum/post/12809929

as it stands right now the PS3 is the only piece of equipment out there with the best chance to become firmware upgradable to profile 2.0. However as of right now i consider this vaporware. It has not happened.

the audio your looking for is thought to be able to be given to the PS3 via a firmware upgrade. however i condider this vaporware also as it has not happened.

While the audio upgrades may be "vaporware", I don't think you can say that about the Profile 2.0 upgrade. Sony has announced it will happen and it doesn't seem that hard to do given everything the PS3 already does (e.g. it already has a web browser).

TheSimplePanda

· #6 · Jan 14, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by djorijun /forum/post/12812982

Ok wait so does this mean that my Sammy BD P1400 can have 2.0 because it has a built in ethernet port?

No.

The Samsung BD-P1400 will never be a profile 2.0 player.

In order to be a profile 2.0 player, at the very least you need to be profile 1.1 compliant. This means the player needs to have a virtual file system and persistent storage (256MB for 1.1 and 1GB for 2.0).

The Samsung doesn't have this on-board memory.

Also, to be profile 1.1 (and 2.0) compliant, you need secondary video and audio stream decoding. The Samsung doesn't have these either.

Samsung, to my knowledge, has no shipping 2.0 capable players. I don't think the BD-U5000 (which is a 1.1 compliant player) has enough memory on board.

See less See more

TheSimplePanda

· #7 · Jan 14, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadbury8 /forum/post/12809929

as it stands right now the PS3 is the only piece of equipment out there with the best chance to become firmware upgradable to profile 2.0. However as of right now i consider this vaporware. It has not happened.

the audio your looking for is thought to be able to be given to the PS3 via a firmware upgrade. however i condider this vaporware also as it has not happened.

Quote:
Vaporware (Wikipedia): Vaporware is a software or hardware product which is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge, either with or without a protracted development cycle. The term implies unwarranted optimism, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility.

In order for something to be 'vapor', it has to be announced but never arrive.

Profile 2.0 on the PS3 is not vaporware. It's an announced update to be delivered 'shortly' and given it was announced a week ago calling it 'vapor' is a jumping the gun a bit.

DTS HD:MA isn't vaporware either. Nobody has announced it and there is even some suggestion that the PS3 can't do it. A rumored release can never be vaporware.

Quetzalcoatl

· #8 · Jan 14, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimplePanda /forum/post/12813362

No.

The Samsung BD-P1400 will never be a profile 2.0 player.

In order to be a profile 2.0 player, at the very least you need to be profile 1.1 compliant. This means the player needs to have a virtual file system and persistent storage (256MB for 1.1 and 1GB for 2.0).

The Samsung doesn't have this on-board memory.

Also, to be profile 1.1 (and 2.0) compliant, you need secondary video and audio stream decoding. The Samsung doesn't have these either.

Samsung, to my knowledge, has no shipping 2.0 capable players. I don't think the BD-U5000 (which is a 1.1 compliant player) has enough memory on board.

Where I donot disagree with what you have said. You do realise that the 1400 uses a SoC that is capable of doing both 1.1 and 2.0.

And I am wondering where did you get the info on what exactly the 1400 has?

Chip used on the 1400.
http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/P...ray8634_br.pdf

Link to proof of chip used.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=59

See less See more

fareedrizkalla

· #9 · Jan 15, 2008

Sony is taking good care of their little child (PS3). Blu-Ray profile updates are always taken into consideration to run on the PS3. So my guess they will gain significant sales with where they are going.

ADGrant

· #10 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadbury8 /forum/post/12814840

Ok so with only two words to use what should i call this?

How about "future release".

fareedrizkalla

· #11 · Jan 15, 2008

I guess they said "Near Future" at CES.

seanoff

· #12 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadbury8 /forum/post/12819014

i guess what it comes down to is if your cup is half full or half empty. im more of the half empty kind of guy. but if future release will make everyone happy im glad to obligue. What date has sony set for release?

hahahaha Sony don't even tell you the whole update story when they do update. See the 2.1 stealth updates. The net is full of threads detailing updates that Sony forgot to mention, some quite major. Expecting them to tell you when they are updating is fairytale stuff.

The 2.0 is a "future release", like Vista SP1 is a future release. Both companies have said the update is out there and it's 99.9999% certain it is.

Vaporware however
www.salon.com/tech/fsp/glossary/index.html

"The marketing practice of announcing the imminent release of a product that does not actually exist and may not ever exist. Usually this is done to frighten prospective competitors from entering into a particular market niche. Particularly popular with companies that dominate a market."

Sony have no real need to do this, other 2.0 players will be out there and they're not likely to scare anybody off by updating to 2.0

See less See more

Beerstalker

· #13 · Jan 15, 2008

Sony's update to the 1.1 standard seemed to happen pretty much at the same time that 1.1 compliant discs were released. I would venture to guess that the update to 2.0 will happen whenever we see 2.0 compliant discs. Have any discs been announced yet?

Quetzalcoatl

· #14 · Jan 15, 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beerstalker /forum/post/12821320

Sony's update to the 1.1 standard seemed to happen pretty much at the same time that 1.1 compliant discs were released. I would venture to guess that the update to 2.0 will happen whenever we see 2.0 compliant discs. Have any discs been announced yet?

Yes Saw IV is the first one due out next Tuesday. But since there is not a standalone out yet that is 2.0 ready it will not happen.

Jiffylush

· #15 · Jan 15, 2008

If you are concerned about the ability to use the features implemented in Profile 2.0, then you need to buy a PS3, or wait until a standalone Profile 2.0 player comes out.

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.