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Pushing air duct up for in-ceiling Atmos speakers

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I'm finalizing the placement of my 7.2.4 speaker layout in my basement, and of course the exact Atmos 45 degree placement that lines up with my front speakers falls right on the joist cavity that contains 6" hvac ducts..

The speakers will in-wall Triad bronze speakers that 4" tall, and I can push up the ducts so that the bottom of the speakers will line up with the double 5/8 drywall that will be on the ceiling. My question is, that will cause my ducts to have a slight arc from one end to the vents. I understand that this isn't the best solution, but it's either this or move the ceiling speakers where the lights are, and I'd rather not bring them in that far from the room sides. I'll be packing the cavity with insulation, and can put some between the speaker and duct, but I'm more concerned with the duct performance when it's not as level when I push it up. Does anyone know if that would cause an issue with the hvac air flow/pressure?

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I'd push them up. Make sure all the joints are well sealed. Wrapping with self adhesive damped mass like Kilmat or DynaMat will provide some benefit in keeping them from picking up sound and transmitting upstairs.
Flex will be two inches taller and due to the increased resistance less efficient. But if the logistics of fitting around the speakers is easier maybe a solution, You also don't have to do the whole length just near the speakers.
Assuming the joist that appears to be center is actually near center and also assuming those are 16”oc, I would consider bringing the Atmos speakers to the joist spaces interior/medial of the lights. Actually, I wouldn’t consider it, that’s what I would do. I would not put speakers near metal ducts that might rattle. And I would not consider my recommended placement as a compromise for sound. I have 4 Atmos speakers placed exactly according to Dolby specs. I would bring them closer to the center if I had it to do over.

I would also go ahead and wire for 9.2.6.

I'm finalizing the placement of my 7.2.4 speaker layout in my basement, and of course the exact Atmos 45 degree placement that lines up with my front speakers falls right on the joist cavity that contains 6" hvac ducts..

The speakers will in-wall Triad bronze speakers that 4" tall, and I can push up the ducts so that the bottom of the speakers will line up with the double 5/8 drywall that will be on the ceiling. My question is, that will cause my ducts to have a slight arc from one end to the vents. I understand that this isn't the best solution, but it's either this or move the ceiling speakers where the lights are, and I'd rather not bring them in that far from the room sides. I'll be packing the cavity with insulation, and can put some between the speaker and duct, but I'm more concerned with the duct performance when it's not as level when I push it up. Does anyone know if that would cause an issue with the hvac air flow/pressure?

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Replace the round duct with rectangular duct that will sit higher. Also don't let that subfloor or floor joists get wet.
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I'd be concerned with both air flow and noise from duct rattle. Agreed with psyduck103 that replacing with rectangular duct (which you could probably do just where the speakers will be) is a good solution and then stuff some material up there to lessen the likelihood that the vibrations from the speakers will carry to the ducts.
I'd be concerned with both air flow and noise from duct rattle. Agreed with psyduck103 that replacing with rectangular duct (which you could probably do just where the speakers will be) is a good solution and then stuff some material up there to lessen the likelihood that the vibrations from the speakers will carry to the ducts.
Roxul insulation is a great damping material my oldest son used it in his theater and between the black velvet walls and the soundproofing (Roxul and Cellular foam board) it is a sensory depravation chamber when you first walk in.
I'm finalizing the placement of my 7.2.4 speaker layout in my basement, and of course the exact Atmos 45 degree placement that lines up with my front speakers falls right on the joist cavity that contains 6" hvac ducts..

The speakers will in-wall Triad bronze speakers that 4" tall, and I can push up the ducts so that the bottom of the speakers will line up with the double 5/8 drywall that will be on the ceiling. My question is, that will cause my ducts to have a slight arc from one end to the vents. I understand that this isn't the best solution, but it's either this or move the ceiling speakers where the lights are, and I'd rather not bring them in that far from the room sides. I'll be packing the cavity with insulation, and can put some between the speaker and duct, but I'm more concerned with the duct performance when it's not as level when I push it up. Does anyone know if that would cause an issue with the hvac air flow/pressure?
In addition to what I said above to address your actual Atmos question, I just noticed what looks like rigid foam panels behind your wall (assuming concrete back there) and then paper backed insulation in the stud spaces. Unless you have made arrangements for ventilation in that space between the stud wall and rigid foam, I would get that paper off the insulation. It will trap moisture.
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Assuming the joist that appears to be center is actually near center and also assuming those are 16”oc, I would consider bringing the Atmos speakers to the joist spaces interior/medial of the lights. Actually, I wouldn’t consider it, that’s what I would do. I would not put speakers near metal ducts that might rattle. And I would not consider my recommended placement as a compromise for sound. I have 4 Atmos speakers placed exactly according to Dolby specs. I would bring them closer to the center if I had it to do over.

I would also go ahead and wire for 9.2.6.
You would put them on the inside joist cavity of the lights? That would put them 4 feet apart, and 6 feet from each side. That puts them very centered. If what you say is true, I think I'd rather just put the speakers exactly where the lights are and move the lights around a bit to accommodate, as I'd be a little hesitant to bring them so centered. I have a 140" wide screen and my L/R are going to be about 3-4 feet from the walls on each side.
In addition to what I said above to address your actual Atmos question, I just noticed what looks like rigid foam panels behind your wall (assuming concrete back there) and then paper backed insulation in the stud spaces. Unless you have made arrangements for ventilation in that space between the stud wall and rigid foam, I would get that paper off the insulation. It will trap moisture.
The studs are about an inch off the rigid foam, so there's room for air movement back there. It was supposed to be roxul insulation but they messed up and put R13. I'd prefer to not pull all that out. My basement is dug in sand and pretty bone dry, so I'm not worried about that much moisture creeping in.
Roxul insulation is a great damping material my oldest son used it in his theater and between the black velvet walls and the soundproofing (Roxul and Cellular foam board) it is a sensory depravation chamber when you first walk in.
ha, I take it that's a good thing, right?
The studs are about an inch off the rigid foam, so there's room for air movement back there. It was supposed to be roxul insulation but they messed up and put R13. I'd prefer to not pull all that out. My basement is dug in sand and pretty bone dry, so I'm not worried about that much moisture creeping in.
I don’t blame you but I would look up your climate zone and consider. This is unrequested advice so I apologize for that.

Moisture is in the air and will condense out of that air all on its own when given the correct hot-to-cold conditions. Trapping air between two vapor barriers doesn’t allow it to escape so the area begins to sweat.

Anyway, let us know what you do with the Atmos speakers.
I don’t blame you but I would look up your climate zone and consider. This is unrequested advice so I apologize for that.

Moisture is in the air and will condense out of that air all on its own when given the correct hot-to-cold conditions. Trapping air between two vapor barriers doesn’t allow it to escape so the area begins to sweat.

Anyway, let us know what you do with the Atmos speakers.
All good! I love getting advice on my project. Most of my basement is already build like this, so we'll see what happens :)

I did have a question to your other post tho:

You would put the speakers on the inside joist cavity of the lights? That would put them 4 feet apart, and 6 feet from each side. That puts them very centered. If what you say is true, I think I'd rather just put the speakers exactly where the lights are and move the lights around a bit to accommodate, as I'd be a little hesitant to bring them so centered. I have a 140" wide screen and my L/R are going to be about 3-4 feet from the walls on each side.
All good! I love getting advice on my project. Most of my basement is already build like this, so we'll see what happens :)

I did have a question to your other post tho:

You would put the speakers on the inside joist cavity of the lights? That would put them 4 feet apart, and 6 feet from each side. That puts them very centered. If what you say is true, I think I'd rather just put the speakers exactly where the lights are and move the lights around a bit to accommodate, as I'd be a little hesitant to bring them so centered. I have a 140" wide screen and my L/R are going to be about 3-4 feet from the walls on each side.
That is what I was suggesting, and I do believe you would be very happy with the result. There is a reason so many people decide to angle-in their Atmos speakers. The only reason I would back away from that suggestion is if your primary listening position would put you directly in line with one side or the other (or outside of them). But the lightcan joist space is perfectly good.
I agree with the suggestions to just put the speakers elsewhere. It really won’t make much of a difference.

I have mine at exactly 45 degrees - and I honestly feel it might be a bit far. If I could do it again I would move them in a bit.
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I agree with the suggestions to just put the speakers elsewhere. It really won’t make much of a difference.

I have mine at exactly 45 degrees - and I honestly feel it might be a bit far. If I could do it again I would move them in a bit.
Exactly.
Good stuff, thanks for the assist guys. I'm putting them where the lights are.
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