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Moving from a G90 into the digital domain and wander what the views are on a Qualia versus a Sim Ht500 (or similar 3 chip dlp). In the UK so have to consider the import issue on a Qualia as we cant get them here, so would need to buy in the US and bring back.

Using a 8ft wide Studiotek 130 in a 20ft sq room living room, so walls are not black but can control light from windows okay...use Plasma for general viewing, pj for movies etc.

Want to run digital end to end for best pq and will have my sat and dvd sdi modded. Will also want to use an external scaler such as the Lumagen or Cristallio but only if will improve PQ.


Thoughts please..

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Pros and cons to each. Darrinp2 has had both and is probably going to best comparison. From what I have played with them, the Sim2 is going to be better black levels and contrast, and easier to install. The Sony will have a smoother more filmlike image. Brightness are both similar with each. You can likely get the Sim2 for less than the Qualia at this point so that might be a determination as well.
 

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Just about every screen manufacture at the last show was useing th Sim2 HT500.
 

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In that screen size, the resolution of the 3 chipper should be more than ample. Personally, I'd go for the better price, ease of application and the greater CR/black. But you may want to PM Darin as he has personally compared the two side by side.


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I have to agree with all of Jason's points. The ht500 is definitely better in contrast ratio, due to its deeper blacks and I found it to be more accurate in colors as well. The qualia has on its side the pixel count, but at this point there is not much out there to match that count.

If you can get a good price on the sim, I'd definitely consider that one ... I think there is a good price from AV Science being advertized in one of the threads.


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Yes I own a Qualia...but the CR in Qualia is no slouch and with D-VHS, HD broadcasts today and HD DVD and BLURAY out next year, I can't imagine buying a projector with a resolution found on today's sub $3K projectors.


Not that you should buy a Qualia but 1280 X 720 is a difficult pill to swallow if you are spending over $20K. If the SIM as at a deal price, well than I might go for it.


If I were you, I'd keep your G-90 another year and go from there. The world of projectors will be much improved than what is available today. I can see the SIM being a throw away next year about this time..The Qualia may have a year more of longevity before it is bested in a significant manner.
 

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I saw a few of the new Delta engine3 chip DLPs at Cedia. Also the TI booth was showing one as well.


The fact that they have 1280 resolution on a $20,000+ projector is embarrasing. Pixelation was soooooo evident in the TI booth that I couldn't believe they were trying to demonstrate this hardare on the size screen that they were using.


IF you plan to us 1280 x 720 resolution I highly suggest you sit MORE than 1.8 screen widths back. I could list the other dissapointments but theres really no point. The qualia picture, smoothness of the pans, clarity, and accurate colors were simply in a whole nother league. NO contest.


I will say I thought the panasonic 3 chip DLP with higher resolution and the dynamic iris approached the Qualia in picture quality. Easily outdoing the Delta engine three chippers.


I simply could not recommend a 720p projector in this price range to anyone given that 1080p is available and 1080p source material shoudl be prevelent next year. 720p is not a good investment for the future. At least in this price range. Under $10k maybe
 

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Originally posted by adamlleon
Using a 8ft wide Studiotek 130 in a 20ft sq room living room
Hi Adam,


You told us the room size, but not where you plan on sitting. Tryg is right that the viewing ratio is important to this. If you are going to be 1.8x back (14.4 feet) or more then I don't think the lower resolution of the HT500 would be a problem.


Also, with only an 8' wide screen it doesn't sound like you will need all those lumens in the HT500. I personally like the variable iris (like the Qualia has) for situations like you mentioned where there is ambient light at times, but not at others. With an 8' wide StudioTek 130 and an HT500 I would personally be trying to get the lumens down on it with a neutral density filter or something else for movies with the lights out.


I personally didn't find the colors to be better on the HT500 (I would have to pick the Qualia for this), although the contrast ratio was a little better. Not a ton after calibration though.


The HT500 does have a very nice scaler that comes with it. One place where this is an advantage is when watching normal TV and there is garbage at the top of the images. The overscan control on the HT500 makes getting rid of this much easier. Since the Qualia doesn't support [email protected] input using it with a scaler isn't as convenient and I haven't found any overscan control to get rid of garbage like I mentioned. I just have to move it onto the screen masking.


Overall I would have to say that I agree with Jeff about the Qualia having longer legs. When BluRay comes out I am expecting it to sync up with the Qualia very well. I hope my prediction that at least some BluRay players will output [email protected], since the Qualia 004 and HS51 both support this input, will come true.


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I do not know anything about the HT500. I have only read good things about it. But because I read better things about the Qualia I went for it. As thebland, Tryg and Darin state- why not be ready for the future now? Why not invest in a toy that will give you greater pleasure for a greater time? Thanks to thebland,in particular, and Darin and Tryg I have no regrets. The picture quality is simply stunning on the Qualia. I can vouch for that.
 

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i have a qualia

AND a professional 3 chip dlp(1280x1024 with 1200w xenon

lamp $50k)

beside the max. light out the qualia is the better pr. in

all parameters.

thats one reason why i cant sell my 3 chip dlp.
 

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I've seen the HT500 on a 9ft wide screen, and I think Darins comments re a neutral filter or similar are spot on. Great machine though, but capable of showing every last detail which can highlight artefacts etc in a poor source or DVD. A filter will help reduce those a tad I think.


Hi Def looks fantastic too!


I know a guy in Horsham who has one on demo - definitely worth a look as he knows how to set pjs up, and the room is light controled with Kodak 18% grey walls, so you should get a good idea of what it's capable of. He's a Sim specialist.


I'll PM you with some details.


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Hi Adam,

as i saw, you are in Europe. See the EBU decision not to allow the 1080i resulutionfor european HDTV, it can be a point not to buy a product, that not will support(1920x1080) the pixel rate of HDTV [email protected]

The backdoor is open for 1080: Wen we have 1080P camera and complete 1080P studio equipment, then we ( in europe) can have 1080 as well.


For the HT-500 also: The switch box with optical DVI to the projector.

With the Qualia, you have to run all the cables to the box. How good are the sources? Can they drive the long cables? I doubt not, so the controller from Sim is a strong point.


W.Mayer:

had also a 1280x1024 in my room, now i´m using the HD-2 3-Chip. I like it more then the 1024 chip. The game is a complete different one , if you use the isco digital cinema anamorphic lens system: then the 1024 beets every thing else.


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as i saw, you are in Europe. See the EBU decision not to allow the 1080i resulutionfor european HDTV, it can be a point not to buy a product, that not will support(1920x1080) the pixel rate of HDTV [email protected]


armin

"hallo aus deutschland"

that is wrong.

the ebu only think that for most people 1280x720 progressive is enough and they

told that the prefer a progressive format over a interlaced.

1080i is still and will be on the list.




had also a 1280x1024 in my room, now i´m using the HD-2 3-Chip. I like it more then the 1024 chip. The game is a complete different one , if you use the isco digital cinema anamorphic lens system: then the 1024 beets every thing else.

armin

i had try ed this lens but beside the more lumens i cant see a big improvement.fals contour bug is still there.

vertical pixel gabs still can see ...........

what hd2 3 chip you have?
 

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I'll be sitting about 13 ft back or so from the screen. What is a natural density filter? Is this similar to a filter you would use on a camera lens? I believe the sim has an eco mode to lower the lamp output- will this not have the same effect as the filter?

Leaning towards the Sim- mainly due to the fact that i can get it here in the UK, whereas i will have to import the Qualia, with no tech support if ever i need that.
 

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Adam,


A neutral density filter can be used to cut down the light output from a projector.

They are available in different values namely .3, .6 and .9 which cut down the light output by 1, 2 or 3 stops.

In my demo room that Gary was referring to earlier, the screen is 104 inches wide and the seating about 14 feet away.

The 500 lamp is set to 200w which gives a bright image but I have not felt the need to use a ND filter.


Jeff
 
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