Quality Of Your Player Determines Panny VS Pioneer DVD Recorded Disc....

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HoustonGuy

Discussion Starter · Feb 23, 2005

The Panny E-80 and by my testing the E-85 are superior in their recorded discs WHEN played back on top "Secrets" players. The artifacts, banding,MB that people mention are coming from the quality of their players/or DVD player/ recorders-not the recorded disc. I have played back both E-80/85 recorded discs on the Panny XP-30/50 players which is the same as the Panny RP82 for video. The Pioneer 320/ 420 recorded disc is just not as sharp- it is very good but just somewhat less.. Same feed, program etc at HD source. I suggest you check out the best players as DVD recorders are definitely not great players.
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Mike Up

· #2 · Feb 23, 2005

BS, sounds like more excuses in defense of your love.

Just give us a break as the artifacts don't even bother most. I expect your system has so much digital noise that it just masks the artifacts of your recorders anyhow. Ad the additional noise reduction ,for digital artifacts, of the players you site, and I believe you honestly don't see artifacts.

Why is your profile equipment list blank?? Be proud of what you use.

Just let it die already, you're not a one man show.

Have a good one.

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7481387

· #3 · Feb 23, 2005

It should be noted that the top "Secrets" players cost several hundred dollars (some even several thousand!

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How do the playback results (of a disc recorded on the E-85) compare between the E-85 and a "regular" middle-of-the-line DVD player?

MarkhamPete

· #4 · Feb 23, 2005

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Originally posted by HoustonGuy
The artifacts, banding,MB that people mention are coming from the quality of their players/or DVD player/ recorders-not the recorded disc.

In your case, this may be true, but I don't think you can definitively conclude it's never on the recorded media.

I'm of the opinion that picture quality is a combination of many elements and how well they work together. This includes a/v source, recorder/capture, media (dyes), player and monitor/tv. Much like children, they don't always play well together.

Goosey

· #5 · Feb 23, 2005

Okay so you concluded that recorded material from Panasonic DVDR produces a sharper picture. That doesn't mean it produces a more natural picture not to mention a better picture.

Robin

· #6 · Feb 23, 2005

Mike Up,

What nonrecording player did you use that showed the Panasonic banding but no banding on Pioneer-recorded DVDs?

Thanks!

Robin

Mike Up

· #7 · Feb 23, 2005

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Originally posted by Robin
Mike Up,

What nonrecording player did you use that showed the Panasonic banding but no banding on Pioneer-recorded DVDs?

Thanks!

Robin

I've used different Panasonic DVD players, Pioneer DVD players, a JVC DVD player, a Zenith DVD player, my PC's DVD player. The artifact in the recording was visible on all the players proving to me, that electronics can only "MASK" the problem, not do away with it.

BTW, the top rated Denon players that someone referenced off of Secrets, have had macro-blocking problems. DenonDave (Marketing USA) and a host of other posters, have been trying to find a fix. This is really a common Denon problem and is why I stayed away from Denon DVD Players. Funny how Secrets didn't mention this known problem in their PQ?!?

Have a good one.

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JeffWld

· #8 · Feb 23, 2005

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Originally posted by Goosey
Okay so you concluded that recorded material from Panasonic DVDR produces a sharper picture. That doesn't mean it produces a more natural picture not to mention a better picture.

It also omits a factor far more critical than the differences between players: the display device. There are so many variables related to the display device that HG's ongoing attempts to make these bold comparisons/claims has become boring nonsense.

drbrousters

· #9 · Feb 23, 2005

"HG's ongoing attempts to make these bold comparisons/claims has become boring nonsense."

In his defense, it has not become boring nonsense. It is, and always was, annoying and misleading nonsense.

He is, simply, an unwavering Panasonic fan and determined to prove he has the best.

Jimbo Moran

· #10 · Feb 24, 2005

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Originally posted by drbrousters
"HG's ongoing attempts to make these bold comparisons/claims has become boring nonsense."

In his defense, it has not become boring nonsense. It is, and always was, annoying and misleading nonsense.

He is, simply, an unwavering Panasonic fan and determined to prove he has the best.

Personally I enjoy his posts, if for no other reason than it brings out the posters who regularly complain about him, Panasonic products and his findings, now that is entertainment!

doxtorRay

· #11 · Feb 24, 2005

I checked just to make sure the effect was not isolated to the E80. I played some E80-produced discs on my main DVD player (Panasonic F87). Banding is visible in several of the prone scenes (in fact, one can almost anticipate which scenes will display it).

I have viewed several Pioneer recordings on the F87, including some scenes that would be likely to produce banding if recorded on the E80, and banding is not noticeable.

HoustonGuy

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 24, 2005

It is VERY relevant that MikeUP and others HAVE NOT played Back their DVD Recorded discs on the Top 8 DVD Players as I have. They pooh pooh but they have NOT done what I have. Played both the Pio and Panny DVDR discs back on the top players XP-30/50 and RP82 OR any of the Denons in that true and tested "Secrets" realm. They refuse to state what player they played it back on. All they can do is is lay out BS. This is the biggest bunch of bull - you should see it for what it is. If their players suck then their suppositions on DVDR recorded discs suck. BTW dox the Panny 87 is a horrible DVD player. Check secrets. Did you even click the url I posted- Ostrich head in the sand.

jmscott42

· #13 · Feb 24, 2005

The problem is, most people will not have access to any of the players on that list (or MOST of the players).

If the disc looks OK on YOUR real-life equipment, doesn't have any fatal flaws, etc, that should be a pretty significant test.

Granted, if you have the money to chase after what one source claims is the best equipment ever, that's great, and I am extremely jealous. But if there's one thing I've learned about ANY sort of electronic item-- one reviewer's trash is another's treasure, and taking any ONE single review as gospel will cause more problems than it solves.

HoustonGuy

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 24, 2005

Panny XP-30's can be had for 200 bucks or so on Ebay and certain Denons for that also. There is a huge drop off after the first 15 on that list- and that is a fact Mikeup and others have no conception of - their playback units suck.

Goosey

· #15 · Feb 24, 2005

The problem is that you used only ONE DVD player on your test, the XP-30. It's certainly a good player. But not EVERYONE uses a Panasonic player and not EVERYONE uses the XP-30. I'm not saying your tests wasn't done with good intentions it just doesn't prove anything.

drbrousters

· #16 · Feb 24, 2005

HoustonGuy relax! You seem to be devoting an awful lot of threads to this topic so...

Everyone knows that you think Panasonic is the best and that you can prove it.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

HoustonGuy

Discussion Starter · #17 · Feb 24, 2005

I just played back the recent Showtime movie "Barbershop" - I recorded it same time, same feed,HD feed to the E-80 and Pio 420. Playback on the Panny XP-30 and XP-50 was definitely better for the E-80 recorded disc. E-80 recorded disc is flat out sharper and perfect- the Pio 420 was very good but not up to the E-80 recorded disc- You are right -I am very relaxed ,always have been in this conviction, because it is true and right. DR - time for you to spend some green on a decent player but continue to live in that fantasy world if you want.

7481387

· #18 · Feb 24, 2005

Just for the record, let me see if I can get this straight:

As between a DVD recorded on the E-85 and played back on the E-85, vs. a DVD recorded on the Pioneer 420/520 and played back on same, which gives the best picture? That's the only test that matters to me -- and most "normal" consumers, I'm sure -- because I ain't gonna buy a recorder only to routinely pop the disc out and play it back on another machine every time I want to play what I've recorded.

drbrousters

· #19 · Feb 24, 2005

"always have been in this conviction, because it is true and right."

Next!

"DR - time for you to spend some green on a decent player but continue to live in that fantasy world if you want."

And you know what kind of DVD player I have? The ability to perceive this is this another of your special powers?

You are entitled to any opinion you choose to form, but to declare your prejudice as fact is objectionable and without merit. I'll help you with the math on this:

You believe that Panasonic makes the best DVD recorder, and this belief is unshakable. You record a DVD on a Panasonic recorder. You record a DVD on a Pioneer recorder. You then watch both of those recordings on 2 Panasonic DVD players. You declare that the Pioneer is inferior to the Panasonic recorder.

See any problems here?? I'll give you a hint.

Consider these terms:

Measurement, and objectivity.

And here's another thought, a DVD recorded on a certain brand recorder is

a) more likely to play better on that same brand's player

b) less likely to play better on that same brand's player

c) more likely to play better on a Panasonic player because they are the best.

What do you suppose most of those who have been reading your posts are guessing you'll give as an answer?

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jpurkey

· #20 · Feb 24, 2005

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Originally posted by Captain Shirk
As between a DVD recorded on the E-85 and played back on the E-85, vs. a DVD recorded on the Pioneer 420/520 and played back on same, which gives the best picture? That's the only test that matters to me -- and most "normal" consumers, I'm sure -- because I ain't gonna buy a recorder only to routinely pop the disc out and play it back on another machine every time I want to play what I've recorded.

The discs I record are going to outlast the recorder, so how they play on other DVD players is more important to me than how they look when played on the Panasonic. I wish the output was better from my Panasonic, but I'm quite happy with how the recordings look on other players.

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