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QuestionCopy DVD, VHS, and TV shows

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So its ok to record a TV show to watch later or even keep for several years and watch many times. IS that correct? If so, the network had money from the advertiser, they ad man got money from me buying his product. Everybody got paid. Now I edit out the ads to watch again in years to come. Nobody is getting paid then when I watch it.


So why is it not legal to either rent a dvd and copy for your own use since everybody got paid, or buy a dvd copy it and then sell it a used store?


I guess the same holds true with CDs, or even books, but who has the time to copy war and peace.

My wife and some friends and I were trying to figure out exactly how all the laws worked. Any input?
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Here's the quick legal answer...


The law gives the people who produce the material the right to copy the material (hence the name copyright). As long as somebody else owns a copyright on something, no other copy is legal unless (a) the copyright owner gives you permission, or (b) it falls under a specific exception of the copyright law.


Most of the exceptions under the law are pretty straightforward, but one is somewhat nebulous - the fair use clause. The courts have held that taping a show for the purpose of time shifting (i.e. watching at a different time than the show is broadcast) falls under fair use. The courts haven't really said how far that goes and have never specifically said, for instance, that it is legal to tape a show, edit out the commercials, keep it forever and watch it over and over again. But they've never said such a thing is illegal, and most people believe such actions are both legal and OK.


So far, there is no exception to the copyright law that would make it legal to buy a DVD, copy it and sell the original. Without such an exception, it is illegal. However, there are some people who's personal definition of "fair use" is pretty broad and would argue that such a thing does fall under fair use and is thus legal. But, personally, that's a bunch of hogwash.


Hopefully, that answers the legal issues as they stand in the US today. If you want to get beyond that into discussions of what the law should be, whether we should obey the law, etc. we will get bogged down into one of our periodic messy nasty arguments that never goes anywhere.
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The courts haven't really said how far that goes and have never specifically said, for instance, that it is legal to tape a show, edit out the commercials, keep it forever and watch it over and over again. But they've never said such a thing is illegal, and most people believe such actions are both legal and OK.
In the actual text of the Betamax decision though, there's a very clear distinction drawn between "timeshifting" and "librarying," to the point that it's strongly implied that if the issue of people "librarying" recordings had been before the Court it would have been ruled illegal. But it wasn't specifically at issue because plaintiffs failed to prove that it was being done on a widespread basis, unlike "timeshifting."


Of course, that was 20 years ago, and the commonality of "librarying" today would probably make the Court lean the other way. But the only direct legal precedent, while not stating it isn't fair use, strongly implies that it isn't.
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Thanks that seems to sum it up for me. Just seemed really vague.
these laws are all well-intentioned, but if individuals do not feel a strong desire to adhere to their conscience well there is nothing to keep the law from being broken.


When I first saw cd writers come out at affordable prices I knew the floodgates had been opened.


It has been my experience that once something goes digital it is damn near impossible to keep it from being copied.


Case in point I make copies of the dvd movies that I buy so that those that live in my house do not scratch my originals to the point that they are useless. When I went to copy the movie The Forgotten my software was unable to get past the encryption......a few moments later I was able to find a new piece of software that could do it.


1's and 0's can not be protected unless people decide that it is wrong to copy......it is entirely up to the individual to police themselves.


thats my opinion anyway.....
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