[kenshin-dono]

heya guys. may be thinking of getting a new tv sometime this year, ive always wanted a plasma but stayed away because the tv is used pretty mu ch exclusivly for gaming , and ive always been worried about burn in. I think the picture on a plasma is best for games, the super bright popping colors lend well to most games. Anyway, one thing im not sure about is motion blur. I know LCD's are the main culprit on this, do plasmas have motion blur or not?


Right now i have a 60" dlp, the sony kds 60a3000 from a year or so ago i think. Its nice but since sony uses an LCOS system it has some motion blur which bugs me a bit. Id really like my next to tv to have absolutely no motion blur, so is plasma the way to go in that respect?


Would be nice to know if burn in has truley been solved


also, might as well ask, do regular dlps, (ones that dont use LCOS) like a samsung LED dlp or something have any motion blur or not?


tnx guys

 

[xCraftyVeteranx]

My TH-42PZ80u is fast and smooth and even it has very slight motion blur. You sort of have to look for it to spot it.

 

[tqn]

I've tested Pioneer and Samsung plasmas, and they do exhibit some motion blur. It's not a lot, but if you're looking for absolutely no blur, then you may have to consider CRT. I heard that some of the new 120 Hz/motion interpolation LED LCD's (e.g. Samsung) have *NO* blur.


Another important consideration is input lag. If using a motion interpolation LCD, you can pretty much say goodbye to playing reflex-critical games like 2D fighting and sports games (baseball). Even plasmas with no motion interpolation processing have unacceptable (to me) amounts of input lag.

 

[kenshin-dono]

really? wow i had always assumed plasmas had no motion blur,. some stuff id read had sugested that was the case. So your sure plasmas have motion blur on them. thats kinda a bummer


i wasn't even aware they still made CRT hds =P thats not really what im shooting for. i could live with super low motion blure, i just want less than i have on my current one at least, none would be great, but as little as possible is still decent


have you tried gaming on it much? FPS's is where you really notice it, thats the true test for using it for gaming IMO. With my current tv i get kinda a headache playing a long time with an fps from the blur


wow tgn what LCd's use this motion interpolation thing, ive never even heard of that. hopefully its not something tied into the 120hz thing.


Plasmas have a lot of input lag? I had actually heard they were the best out there for the input delay of the different displays! wtf

 

[JBDragon]

I have NO Input lag or Motion Blur on my 50" 1080P Panasonic Plasma. Game on mine all the time also. Looks great.

 

[cokenbeer]

I own a Pioneer Plasma, Before that I had a Sony XBR6 which I returned, a Samsung 850 which I returned, and my parents put a 65 inch Sharp in the living room. Motion blur on the LCD's KILLS me. It absolutely ruined the viewing experience with almost everything I watched. Before recently I'd only ever owned Pioneer Plasmas so I went back to that. Motion blur is absolutely minimal to the point where you almost never see it.


Also as far as input lag I noticed there's quite a bit more lag with most LCD's but this has never been a huge issue on any of the pioneer tvs I've owned.

 

[tqn]



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Originally Posted by kenshin-dono /forum/post/15537964


really? wow i had always assumed plasmas had no motion blur,. some stuff id read had sugested that was the case. So your sure plasmas have motion blur on them. thats kinda a bummer


i wasn't even aware they still made CRT hds =P thats not really what im shooting for. i could live with super low motion blure, i just want less than i have on my current one at least, none would be great, but as little as possible is still decent


have you tried gaming on it much? FPS's is where you really notice it, thats the true test for using it for gaming IMO. With my current tv i get kinda a headache playing a long time with an fps from the blur


wow tgn what LCd's use this motion interpolation thing, ive never even heard of that. hopefully its not something tied into the 120hz thing.


Plasmas have a lot of input lag? I had actually heard they were the best out there for the input delay of the different displays! wtf

I don't really notice any motion blur on real-world viewing material. It's pretty easy to notice though using a testing utility: http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/gallery/sc...?g2_itemId=270


Input lag is easy to measure too as I have my plasma connected to my PC along with a CRT monitor.


Having said that, I play Left 4 Dead on it and don't notice any blur OR lag. However, MLB 08 (PS3) is basically unplayable for me as every millisecond counts when trying to hit a 98 mph fastball. I tried this game on a CRT TV and the difference in delay affected my batting performance (in a good way) so much it's not even funny.


Motion interpolation on LCDs is intimately tied with 120 Hz. The two almost always go hand in hand. All flat panel HDTVs (and even some CRTs) can have input delay due to the video processing. Motion interpolation adds even more processing, so enabling it usually results in more delay (but less motion blur). Different TVs from different manufacturers have differing amounts of delay...try searching the LCD and plasma forums for that topic. I know there is a current thread in the (under $3k?) front projector forum dedicated to input lag.

 

[kenshin-dono]

tnx guys, sounds like motion blur is almost non existant with plasmas, and theres very little input lag. ill do some more research on the input lag for lcds and the like as i get closer to taking the plunge or not.


this interpolation thing sounds like something id have to actually test out int he store. Is it an option to turn on/off.. thing is sounds like turning it off would severly increase motion blur


oh ya, 2 more things, the whole 120hz thing only applies to LCD refresh rates right? Im assuming plasmas dont have any rating for that since the pixels change so fast?


also, i havent looked too much but last time i checked with consumer reports a year or so ago it looked like pioneer and panasonic had some of the best plasmas, with Pioneer being the better of the two is that still the case?


thnx for the info, its kinda hard to j ustify gettin another new tv so soon when theres nothing really wrong with mine lol but plasmas kinda what i always wanted

 

[tqn]



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Originally Posted by kenshin-dono /forum/post/15564278


tnx guys, sounds like motion blur is almost non existant with plasmas, and theres very little input lag. ill do some more research on the input lag for lcds and the like as i get closer to taking the plunge or not.


this interpolation thing sounds like something id have to actually test out int he store. Is it an option to turn on/off.. thing is sounds like turning it off would severly increase motion blur

You can turn off motion interpolation but motion blur will increase. A relatively simple test for motion blur is to play RockBand. Look at the song lyrics that scrolls by for the singer. On my plasma, the text scrolls smoothly...kinda like a CRT.


On my friend's XBR4, when motion inter. is on, the scrolling text is smooth. HOWEVER, the really strange part is that when the pace of the song picks up a little bit, and there's more "action" on the screen, the movement of all the text and notes on the screen seems to stutter...similar effect to if you're playing a computer FPS game with graphical settings that are too high for your video card. This strange effect isn't motion blur, but it's very distracting nonetheless.


On the XBR4 with motion inter. off, the scrolling text is a blurry mess. In fact, once when we first started playing, one of my other friends sang the first few songs. Then he said he needed to take a break because there was something wrong with his vision...the words were out of focus. When I went to check the motion inter. settings, it was OFF!! His vision was fine...the TV...not so much.

 

[tqn]



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Originally Posted by kenshin-dono /forum/post/15564278


oh ya, 2 more things, the whole 120hz thing only applies to LCD refresh rates right? Im assuming plasmas dont have any rating for that since the pixels change so fast?


also, i havent looked too much but last time i checked with consumer reports a year or so ago it looked like pioneer and panasonic had some of the best plasmas, with Pioneer being the better of the two is that still the case?

I've never seen a 120Hz refresh rate or motion interpolation on a plasma. If such a thing exists, it's very rare.


Pioneer is generally considered to produce the best quality plasma, although the most expensive too.