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Ram: 4GB 533mhz vs 2GB 667mhz ?

  • 4GB 533mhz

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Ram: 4GB 533mhz vs 2GB 667mhz ?

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For a new HTPC (gaming included), assuming equal price, a 64bit OS and a processor with a 667mhz FSB, which would you prefer?


4GB of Ram at 533mhz?


or


2GB of Ram at 667mhz?
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4GB, easy. The only thing I can think of that might be RAM-bound is ffdshow -- every filter you turn on requires a couple of memcpy()'s at minimum, and the operations are usually simple enough that a fast 64bit CPU won't bottleneck. Everything else is going to be limited by CPU, GPU, or disk. More RAM will help keep the disk out of play.
Oh please, at work we don't even spec 4GB for high end CAD workstations, only for FEA workstations.


1GB is plenty for a HTPC, 2GB if you game. 4 is pissing your money away...
I just bought parts for my new gaming rig on Saturday and previously upgraded my HTPC back in late February. Just an observation that 4GB of RAM today (two 2GB kits) cost me $20 less than the identical single 2GB kit in late February. That says nothing about whether you need the RAM, or what speed to run it at, but it was so cheap that I personally couldn't resist, and I don't even have a 64-bit OS



I'm wondering exactly what processor you're talking about, and if you really meant 667 FSB (as opposed to say... 1333 FSB) as I'm slightly confused. And why would you have to run the RAM at 533 or 667 regardless, is your mobo too weak to drive all 4 slots at full speed? I can't imagine you're actually buying anything less than 800MHz RAM, as the cost differential in speeds is literally ~$5.


What I did on the HTPC was buy an E4300 and clock it up to 333x9 (2.97GHz) so that the 2GB RAM was running 667 with a 1:1 ratio. Since it was 800MHz CL5 ram I was able to lower the timings to 4-4-4-12 instead of 5-5-5-15 at the slower speed. This seems to be a good balance of system performance for me, and was achieved with all stock voltages and the stock cooler.


On the gaming rig I hope to do the exact same thing but with 4GB RAM. I use the machine for Blender rendering as well, so I'm hoping to get some minor benefit out of the RAM on fluid sims and such, even if games won't see a difference. Again, it was too cheap to pass up IMHO.
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Originally Posted by Magius /forum/post/0


I just bought parts for my new gaming rig on Saturday and previously upgraded my HTPC back in late February. Just an observation that 4GB of RAM today (two 2GB kits) cost me $20 less than the identical single 2GB kit in late February. That says nothing about whether you need the RAM, or what speed to run it at, but it was so cheap that I personally couldn't resist, and I don't even have a 64-bit OS



I'm wondering exactly what processor you're talking about, and if you really meant 667 FSB (as opposed to say... 1333 FSB) as I'm slightly confused. And why would you have to run the RAM at 533 or 667 regardless, is your mobo too weak to drive all 4 slots at full speed? I can't imagine you're actually buying anything less than 800MHz RAM, as the cost differential in speeds is literally ~$5.


What I did on the HTPC was buy an E4300 and clock it up to 333x9 (2.97GHz) so that the 2GB RAM was running 667 with a 1:1 ratio. Since it was 800MHz CL5 ram I was able to lower the timings to 4-4-4-12 instead of 5-5-5-15 at the slower speed. This seems to be a good balance of system performance for me, and was achieved with all stock voltages and the stock cooler.


On the gaming rig I hope to do the exact same thing but with 4GB RAM. I use the machine for Blender rendering as well, so I'm hoping to get some minor benefit out of the RAM on fluid sims and such, even if games won't see a difference. Again, it was too cheap to pass up IMHO.

I'm talking about a Laptop. I upgraded to 4GB of Ram at 533mhz (price is no object here) and I was wondering if I would have been better off with my 2GB at 667mhz.


I know it might be hard to classify a laptop as a true "HTPC" but my new laptop is MUCH MUCH faster than my true "HTPC" so I'll be giving it a workout
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1Gb for XP, 2GB for Vista. Anything more than that and you're honestly wasting money.
Ah a laptop, now it makes sense. I have to agree that for most "normal" uses, which would include an HTPC, 4GB of RAM is pretty much a waste of money. Particularly considering laptop RAM's price in comparison to desktop RAM.


In my line of work I often have to spec out machines with 8GB or sometimes more of RAM, but really for a desktop PC you'd have to be doing some pretty specific tasks to make it worth it, and HTPC isn't one of them. I'm hoping to get some use out of my 4GB for my Blender projects, but even there I'm not sure what to expect unless I'm doing a fluid or softbody sim at really high res. Time will tell, but for the price (~$85 including a free 2GB USB thumbdrive as a combo) I just had to spring for the extra 2GB.
Remember, on XP and Vista, if you're not running the 64bit version, you'll only have 3.25gigs of RAM usable with 4gigs (at least on a 975XBX2 MB, don't know if that makes a difference).
I just voted....

I thought 4GB 533mhz would be winning for sure, but apparently not.


In the long term, the extra memory will provide more value than the extra speed. While DDR2-533 may be considered slow, it isn't nearly as slow as the page-file/swap space, and in the future 4GB will be common. If you compare a P3 with 512MB of ram to a P4 @ twice the clock speed with 256MB of ram, you will find that XP runs much, much better on the P3 machine. While the DDR-677 may run XP better now, but when you are running a couple of the memory-heavy apps that the near future holds, you may find yourself above that 2GB limit.


dthigpen, if you look at the original question, it says, "a 64bit OS", so in this scenario you would use all the memory. Also, it is not a limitation of 32-bit Operating systems, just XP: http://www.sanx.org/tipShow.asp?index=15

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Originally Posted by greeniguana00 /forum/post/0


Also, it is not a limitation of 32-bit Operating systems, just XP: http://www.sanx.org/tipShow.asp?index=15

Which is why I said specifically "if you're running a 32bit version of XP or Vista".
greeniguana I agree with the points that you're making regarding being prepared for the future, but in regards to the OPs original question future apps aren't particularly applicable. As an example if he had asked "for my HTPC should I go dual core or Quad" your response would be just as valid, that future apps may take advantage of the quad. Unfortunately, at least for the expected lifetime of this HTPC build, dual core would be expected to serve him just as well, and IMHO it's the same for 2GB of RAM.


I don't think anyone is voting for 2GB just because of the speed difference, the bandwidth increase is negligible anyway. The majority opinion is just that 4GB doesn't buy you anything extra for HTPC use. There's a point of diminishing returns with all things, and as another poster summed up that that is approximately 2GB, even in Vista.


There are certainly many applications that can make good use of more than 2GB RAM, but HTPC doesn't seem to be one of them today. Keep in mind that I recently built 2 machines, one an HTPC with 2GB RAM, and one a gaming rig / render workstation with 4GB RAM. I don't even use a 64-bit OS (yet) but it's all about the expected usage of the machine and whether you expect to get any value for the extra money spent.
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Vista Premium- right now- no apps in TM-56% RAM (2G).

The apps don't feast, the OS does.

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Originally Posted by Magius /forum/post/0


I don't think anyone is voting for 2GB just because of the speed difference, the bandwidth increase is negligible anyway. The majority opinion is just that 4GB doesn't buy you anything extra for HTPC use. There's a point of diminishing.
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Originally Posted by OP /forum/post/0


assuming equal price

The extra speed may not bring much increase in performance, but it does bring an increase in price/GB meaning the price of 2B of faster RAM may be the same as 4GB of slower RAM.
Good point greeniguana. If you assume equal price (I guess I glossed over that statement) then it would be hard to recommend less RAM for the same price. Memory bandwidth is never going to bottleneck a modern system when you're talking about having GB/s upon GB/s even in the slowest of configurations. I believe single channel DDR @ 400 is something like 6.4 GB/s, so dual channel at 533 or 667... just try keeping those pipes filled.


A recent system that I had to design at work only had a single channel DDR interface at 200MHz, and the memory controller only had a single DMA engine as opposed to the 4+ that could be found in a newer MCH. The system was still able to perform fantastically well as a high speed data recorder and we were sustaining about the same data rates as uncompressed HD for hours at a time, so the comparison to HTPC application is reasonable.


Anyway, memory bandwidth is fun to measure but it's a fairly useless benchmark. Given the assumption of same price I would certainly side with the 4GB folks.
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