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Ready to upgrade to ATMOS, but need help!

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Discussion Starter · Jan 5, 2018

So, I'm currently running an old AVR (Denon AVR-591) and a set of JAMO (S406?) 5.1 speakers with a BIC F12 Sub. I recently upgraded to a 4K TV (Samsung 55UNKS8000) and now need to upgrade my AVR to a 4K compatible one. I want to include ATMOS, but will require upfiring speakers as ceiling mounted speakers aren't currently an option. I'm not in the market for new speakers as the JAMOs sound fine to me as I'm no audiophile by any means. I'm sure a speaker upgrade will be the first thing recommended, but that's not a viable option right now.

My room setup consists of the main listening position along the wall of the room opposite the TV. My rear surrounds are on shelves on the wall at (or near) ear level and barely behind the seating position. I'm not sure which way to go from here is my biggest dilemma. Cost is a huge consideration (preferably total cost $600 or less), so I think a 9.2 AVR is out of my budget. I'm looking at several 7.2 AVRs, but will defer to the community for suggestions on best bang for the buck in this regard and see if those suggestions match up with my thoughts.

I can get four upfiring speakers (2 Pioneer Andrew Jones and 2 Onkyo SKH-410B) for less than $200. I'd like to stay below $400 for the AVR and not opposed to a refurb (looking at you accessories 4 less!).

The ceiling is not perfectly smooth, but is not a popcorn ceiling either. It has a design on it that creates a "surface", but it is pretty subtle. I don't know how much that will affect the sound coming from the ATMOS speakers. The room is approximately 14' X 20' with 8' ceilings and the TV and listening position are on opposite ends of the 14' length.

Devices running through the AVR to the TV will include: DirecTV (non-4K until more channels become compliant), PS4 Pro, gaming PC, 4K Blu-Ray player (eventually, for ATMOS enabled soundtracks).

I'll do my best to answer any questions you might have that I didn't cover above. I'm looking forward to hearing suggestions from this extremely educated community. All opinions welcome!

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afrogt

· #2 · Jan 5, 2018

since you cant have ceiling mounted speakers, upfiring is the way to go. Looks like you've already researched that with the Pioneer and Onkyo models.

So your biggest decision is whether to go 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. But based on your budget you only have one option which is 5.1.2.

where are you located? Don't want to make recommendations for AVRs unavailable to you.

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Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 5, 2018

afrogt said:
since you cant have ceiling mounted speakers, upfiring is the way to go. Looks like you've already researched that with the Pioneer and Onkyo models.

So your biggest decision is whether to go 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. But based on your budget you only have one option which is 5.1.2.

where are you located? Don't want to make recommendations for AVRs unavailable to you.

Located in the US.

I agree with the 5.1.2 assessment, but could the Denon AVR-591 push the additional ATMOS speakers to achieve 5.1.4? Is 5.1.4 worth it with the seating position against the back wall?

THANKS!

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steveknj

· #4 · Jan 5, 2018

bsweet0us said:
Located in the US.

I agree with the 5.1.2 assessment, but could the Denon AVR-591 push the additional ATMOS speakers to achieve 5.1.4? Is 5.1.4 worth it with the seating position against the back wall?

THANKS!

Looking at the specs for the Denon AVR-591, it looks like it/s 5.1, so you would need at least 7.1 (more likely 7.2). FWIW, I just bought the Denon AVR-S920W 7.2 receiver at A4L at a really good price which handles Atmos (and DTS:X). Still awaiting delivery tomorrow. It's a 2 year old model (with the 2018s coming out soon), but it checks off everything I'm looking for including 8 HDMI for future devices (my current receiver is already maxed out at 6) and ALL 8 are HDCP 2.2 compliant which I don't see on too many receivers out there.

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afrogt

· #5 · Jan 5, 2018

bsweet0us said:
Located in the US.

I agree with the 5.1.2 assessment, but could the Denon AVR-591 push the additional ATMOS speakers to achieve 5.1.4? Is 5.1.4 worth it with the seating position against the back wall?

THANKS!

Could you be a little more specific on your location? Fry's Electronics has great deals on AVRs that nobody else has but they're usually In Store Only and can't be ordered online. If you happen to be in a state w/o a local Fry's then it does you no good to mention these deals.

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Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 5, 2018

steveknj said:
Looking at the specs for the Denon AVR-591, it looks like it/s 5.1, so you would need at least 7.1 (more likely 7.2). FWIW, I just bought the Denon AVR-S920W 7.2 receiver at A4L at a really good price which handles Atmos (and DTS:X). Still awaiting delivery tomorrow. It's a 2 year old model (with the 2018s coming out soon), but it checks off everything I'm looking for including 8 HDMI for future devices (my current receiver is already maxed out at 6) and ALL 8 are HDCP 2.2 compliant which I don't see on too many receivers out there.

I was referring to the new AVR pushing 5.1.2 and the AVR-591 pushing the additional 2 speakers to make it 5.1.4.

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Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 5, 2018

afrogt said:
Could you be a little more specific on your location? Fry's Electronics has great deals on AVRs that nobody else has but they're usually In Store Only and can't be ordered online. If you happen to be in a state w/o a local Fry's then it does you no good to mention these deals.

Sorry. Located in TN. Cookeville to be exact, about 100 miles from both Nashville and Knoxville.

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afrogt

· #8 · Jan 5, 2018 (Edited)

yeah, there's no Fry's stores in Tennessee although I think their distribution center is in Memphis.

You might want to look at buying an AVR from accessories4less.com which has good deals on home theater equipment.

https://www.accessories4less.com/ma.../receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/2.html

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Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 5, 2018

afrogt said:
yeah, there's no Fry's stores in Tennessee although I think their distribution center is in Memphis.

You might want to look at buying an AVR from accessories4less.com which has good deals on home theater equipment.

https://www.accessories4less.com/ma.../receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/2.html

I've done a lot of looking on A4L. I'll probably go that route once I nail down for sure which AVR I want to go with.
I'm leaning toward one of these 3, if you have an opinion.
https://www.accessories4less.com/ma...5-watts-networking-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html
https://www.accessories4less.com/ma...-ch-x-90-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKRWWSG/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I2LDDGS1OOATEI&colid=R2HNG9QLXE03&psc=0

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sam_canavo

· #10 · Jan 5, 2018

Your thinking of using the old Denon to connect to the new one and run to Atmos speakers from it? Not sure that the 730 has preouts to connect the other denon. All I see is the sub out on back.

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Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 5, 2018

sam_canavo said:
Your thinking of using the old Denon to connect to the new one and run to Atmos speakers from it? Not sure that the 730 has preouts to connect the other denon. All I see is the sub out on back.

Yeah. It was just a thought. Wasn't sure if it was possible or not.

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sam_canavo

· #12 · Jan 5, 2018 (Edited)

bsweet0us said:
Yeah. It was just a thought. Wasn't sure if it was possible or not.

now if you went to the 3400h it has pre outs, but might be over budget.Check out the 2017 denon thread for all the features of the newer denons.

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