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I think it is time that we as a group start to compile a list of reference DVDs in PQ category and Audio. The Same for HD( DTheater at this point).


I would like nominations and I would like argument that might dethrone as we go. I would hope that we could get the most likely suspects to go on a sticky at some point. It is an often asked question and one that although talked to death has never been settled to a list . ISF did do this but stopped. WSRs 1-5 scale is too narrow so a 5 in there magazine is always good some 5s aren't reference.



Please nominate any number and then we can work the list as we go.


I'm going to start with a few for PQ since I'm not well versed enough in audio to add much.


DVD:


1) Hollow Man Superbit

2) Shrek

3) Lion King

4) Star Wars AotC

5) Matrix Reloaded

6) Fargo

7) The Pledge


DTheater:



1) Snow Falling on Cedars

2) X Men

3) U571

4) Fight Club

5) Daredevil



If you disagree with my list or any other nominees please say why. I consider the ones on the list not 10 but 9 to 10 on a 1 to 10 scale.


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I'm watching The Bourne Identity and it looks pretty great. Ice Age is a shoe-in. And I think the reigning champ has been Spy Game for some time.


My Nominations (D-Theater):

The Bourne Identity

Ice Age

Spy Game


As for DVD, it's hard for me to say as I've only had my HTPC up for a little bit and I've spent most of my time with it working on clearing out the HDTV recordings.


I think it's a pretty well agreed that Training Day is a reference DVD, though.


My Nomination (DVD):

Training Day


Art,


I agree with Hollow Man, Lion King, Matrix and Fargo for DVD. The only reason I can't comment on the rest is that I've never seen them on my system.


As for D-Theater, I couldn't agree more with X Men, U-571, and Daredevil. Again, I haven't seen the remaining ones yet. I forgot about Daredevil because I had to stop halfway through (the first movie that's bothered the neighbors!). Fight Club should be here tomorrow.
 

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I can only comment on DVD... :p


How about Seabiscuit?? Also, I second Ice Age


I'd go for:



Ice Age

Sea-biscuit

U-571

AtoC

Training Day



and for some classics
Adventures Of Robin Hood

Singing in the Rain

Sunset Blvd


and maybe Casablanca SE (I haven't seen it).


I would probably put Hollow Man SB on the list based on reputation but I haven't seen it either.
 

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For PQ on DVD my hit list would include:


Dinosaur: Collector's Edition - Disney . . . . . Audio as well on this one

Ice Age

Matrix Reloaded

North by Northwest . . . . . . . . . . . . it sounded so good I forgot I was watching a film made in 1959

Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? . . . . . Audio as well on this one too



I will ask that you qualify your Fargo nominations by adding that you are talking about the most recent release. It is somewhat obvious but you really should make it clear that you meant the Special Edition.
 

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out of all the discs i've seen, the two that for me are above reproach would be
Singin' In The Rain SE

The Bad & The Beautiful


the latter is a full frame B&W film, but the disc is silky smooth with an impressive greyscale range and deep inky blacks.


other than these two,

i still have no large problems with
Gladiator

although i would probably rate
Brotherhood Of The Wolf, Hulk, Undercover Brother all higher now.

all of these were 9+ a/v imo.


i haven't seen a perfect dvd (even Reloaded), so a 9 to me is highly satisfying.
 

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Originally posted by Art Sonneborn
What I'd like to get are titles you've seen and are real 9 or 10 out of 10 in PQ.


FredProGh,

I loved Robin Hood but despite it looking spectacular for a 1930's film on DVD I'd argue a little on grain as one flaw in that one but my heart is with it .:)
Yeah, I was going to argue for it based on the idea that some people might want a reference for a different, more classic look of film- i.e., Technicolor- but I have to admit that Singing In The Rain is a better choice.
 

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Not a D-VHS owner, so just dvd here:


Terminator 3


About Schmidt


Once Upon A time In Mexico


Star Wars: AOTC


Matrix Reloaded


Starship Troopers SB


Desperado SB


TLOTR: TTT


TLOTR: FOTR
 

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BTW, what about T2: Extreme Edition??


I watched this the other day and I thought it was a 10/10 for both pq and sound, but no one ever seems to mention it... :confused:
 

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My only DVDs that are 9-10 in picture quality:

SW AoTC

Hulk

Terminator 3

Underworld


Audio is harder for me to judge.
 

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Ok, I will throw in a few of my picks.


DVD:

Desperado SB

ATOC

Matrix Reloaded

Pitch Black

Solaris

The One SB

Tomb Raider 2

Insomnia


DVHS:

X2

Ice Age

Moulin Rouge
 

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This is going to be an interesting thread...but do you really think we can all decide on 5 or so "reference" quality films that can be put on a sticky?

Hope so!


~ Jay
 

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DVD PQ:

Freddy vs Jason

Seabiscuit

Badboys 2

Finding Nemo (gotta love it!)

The Fifth Element

T2 Extreme Edition

Casablanca SE

LOTR 1

LOTR 2

& Chicago (if your player can handle it)


DVD Audio:

Identity

Saving Private Ryan

Badboys 2

Pearl Harbor (DTS)

Behind Enemy Lines (DTS)

Lion King Platinum Edition (5.1 Enhanced Mix)


my thoughts:

Shrek was good for it's day, but a little soft by today's standards. Nemo, Ice age, and Monsters' Inc are better quality animations. Once Upon a Time in Mexico? I had to refrain from overadjusting the contrast on my TV to make this one watchable. And Training Day? I'm gonna watch it again right now, last time I viewed it, I had a DVD player that wasn't much more than the cost of the DVD itself, I wanna see what the Denon makes of it now.
 

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DVD:


Video:


Fifth Element

Casper

AOTC

Die Another Day ( Region 4, I personally think this is an excellent transfer )

Finding Nemo ( Region 4, again a great transfer )

LOTR 1 & 2


Audio:


Casper

Fugitive ( a favourite of mine )

U571

AOTC

LOTR - Either version


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The new Stargate: Ultimate Edition looks great despite some problems with their transfer source. It also has a reference quality DTS-ES soundtrack.


I second LOTR: EEs. They didn't split it across two discs for nothing.
 

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Originally posted by Jw_Wood
This is going to be an interesting thread...but do you really think we can all decide on 5 or so "reference" quality films that can be put on a sticky?

Hope so!


~ Jay
Jay,

You're right, I'm not expecting 5. I think we should be able to get to say 15 to 20 easily though, that would satisfy most. I'm doing to also request that anyone who has objections to voice them since the goal is to eliminate as well as add to the list.:D


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Seabiscuit is the best looking DVD to date.
 

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Without going back and looking at them again, off the top of my head:

(some were already mentioned). Also, I don't count animation - too easy

to master for DVD (digitally created colors map to digital domain).


Seabiscuit

Starship Troopers Superbit

AoTC

Final Destination 2

The Pledge ( audio?)

T3

Fifth Element Superbit (I don't notice any EE, but I only have a 50" screen).

Braveheart (old, maybe too many newer good transfers bump it out of top 10) audio?

Underworld

LOTR TTT


And, of the movies mentioned so far that I've seen, the only one I disagree with

is Bad Boys II : EE is quite prominent.


larry
 
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