recommend subwoofer for around $1000?

pardigm's pw2200 is very musical and powerful for about $700 street. or the ref 15 for about 1300 street.


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ONECALL still has the VELODYNE 18" (x) model units for around $1000.


PW2200 is a great sub.


BW asw1000,2000s

Klipsch 15"er

That SUPERNOVA will move some air---and I've seen it around $900 now.

HSU TN25 and TN20 go low, and loud.

Boston Acoustics VR2000,and PV800 are killers.

CV cvt300

Velodynes ct150 is good.


Hmmm, did I miss any?


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>>>Thanks for the suggestions. Does anyone know how the Velodyne HGS-18 compares to the F1800XR that OneCall is selling? Someone's organized a group purchase of the HGS-18 for a pretty good price. I'm wondering if I should get the F1800XR,or spring the extra money for the HGS-18. How much better is that model?<<<



You'll probably get about the same extension(great for both)...but the HGS would give you about 4-6dB more headroom.


depending on your listenings tastes -- this may come in very handy at times.


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I own 2 MTX PS15 powered subs, that I purchased after reading a great review on in a very comprehensive subwoofer survey in "Widescreen Review". These list for $599 and I paid $470. They sound great on both music and movies. You can not over drive them, they have a remote volume control and all the hook up options you could ask for.

For your $1000 budget, you could get 2 subs. Believe me, 1 subwoofer, no matter how large, does not cut it when you are into watching movies. You need mulitple subwoofers, at the least 2. One for the effects channel and one for your rear channels. I currently use 3, the 2 MTX, one for my main channel(L+R) and one for my surround along with a "VMPS" larger Subwoofer that I use on my effects channel (The VMPS is one serious subwoofer)

Full range response is needed in each channel for Dolby Digital and DTS, with the possible exception of the center channel (which still needs good bass).

The MTX subs are real good and I have to say that their customer service is excellent too.

I had a problem with the auto-on circuit on one of my subs. Even tho it was past the warranty, they fixed it at no cost to me except for shipping one way to their factory.

I would purchase from MTX again without reservation.

OK, my budget for the sub has now doubled. Typical! My current options are:


1: Velodyne HGS-18

2: Velodyne F1800XR (from OneCall)

3: TWO Hsu Research TN1220 w/500watt amp


I can get 1 & 3 from around the same price. Option 2 is $1100. Which would give me a better bass sound? I'm only interested in the sound for Home Theater setup.



Tredshift sez...



>>>Believe me, 1 subwoofer, no matter how large, does not cut it when you are into watching movies. You need mulitple subwoofers, at the least 2.<<<



Well, You need a certain amount of bass reproduction headroom..but whether it's from 1 large enclosure,or multiple smaller one won't really matter.


>>> One for the effects channel and one for your rear channels. I currently use 3, the 2 MTX, one for my main channel(L+R) and one for my surround along with a "VMPS" larger Subwoofer that I use on my effects channel (The VMPS is one serious subwoofer)

Full range response is needed in each channel for Dolby Digital and DTS, with the possible exception of the center channel (which still needs good bass).<<<


It's almost always best to use various bass-management functions of a DD/DTS processor to redirect (at least) the lowest octave of information from the full range channels to the subwoofer.


Some fancy the *ultimate* HT as one with a dedicated subwoofer for each channel. But in reality, this will typically lead to the poorest bass response over a variety of listening positions.



In the words of TN , 1 in the corner beats five in the round.



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*Lisnup* sez...



>>>If you want a serious sub then quite playing with the little boys. Look into [email protected](mksound.com) and they will have a sub that is right for you.<<<


MK is OK. Their products are generally well liked by their owners, but MK subs never seem to do well when compared to the competition objectively.





>>>I went from MTX to Velodyne(HGS10) to the awesome [email protected] MX350THX. This is a 350 watt dual twelve THX certified sub enclosure. It can be purchased for around $1500.00 US dollars. This sub in my HT room has tested out to play down below 20HZ and it has acheived a measured output of 129.235DB. That is one sub enclosure!<<<


What you need to do is take the 350 outside, and place it on a hard surface at least 50 feet from the nearest reflective boundary(except the ground of course). Place the mic at 2m, and run individual sines into the 350, noting both the SPL....AND the THD.



I have an old teeny 12" JBL-120w model that goes for $200ish on line...and I could alos use in room measuring methods that would result in 129dB data.


When disussing the objective performance of a HT subwoofer, you have to try to emulate the review methods by the *main* professional subwoofer reviewers --- NOUSAINE and KEELE.



>>>!!!! My Velo HGS10 could only produce 111DB.<<<



It sounds like you're measuring a lot of distortion along with the fundamental (with the 350)...what type of test tones did you use? Did you measure the distortion too? How big is the room?


.>>Maybe that is why LUCAS, pioneer and about a dozen of other heavy hitters in the industry use the [email protected] MX5000THX as their reference sub woofer.<<<



A lot of *industry* people insist the BAGEND Infra is the *world beater* of all subs too......and it's barely adequate for HT use.



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*lisnup* sez...



>>>I was sadly disappointed by the HGS 18 from Velodyne. I honestly prefered the HGS15 over the 18. In my room their honestly was no comparison. Not only my ears, but also the the coustic real time analyzer/spl meter confirmed.<<<


If your test equipment indicated the HGS15 was playing louder and/or cleaner...then either your test equipment is faulty, or the HGS18 was.



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*lisnup* sez...


>>>Their you go again being one sided in your thoughts.<<<



Yeah, but if it's the correct side...



>>> For testing I use the Iasca setup disc which produces test tones from 20HZ to 120HZ one freq at atime. I use costic RTA33 SPL real time analyzer. I did not measure THD.<<<



Ok, no THD data...and how far away was the mic?


>>> Put any sub outside and measure the response fron 2meters away and they will all suck you moron!!!!<<<



The point isn't to *brag* about the numbers *lisnup*...the point is to eliminate room induced performance variables.



>>>Unless toy sre useing professional gear with 10 of thousands of watts. No HT sub is designed for that as you very well know!!!<<<



Well, no HT sub yet.



>>>In any given room the individual results of a sub will vary as you know also.<<<



That's why I suggested measuring the 350 outside. If you want to know the TRUE performance of a subwoofer--the easiest way is to simply groundplane it at 2m.



>>> ... In regards to the velo HGS10 and its spl in my HT room. You asked about the THD and how high it must have been.<<<



No, I didn't ask about the THD regarding the VELs...reread my text.



>>> Well the last I knew of Velo was that they use a patented device to controll the THD to a max of 1%.<<<


The distortion of VELs exceeds 1%, don't believe marketing hype.




>>>> Obviosly I had no more than the 1% that the enclosure would allow due to its built in limiting factors.<<<



If you pushed the HSG10 to it's volume limits, then you had >1% distortion.



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