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To compliment the thread Review older films here: 1979 and earlier started by my colleague "Wild Bill McClain," I thought we'd open a new thread for review of films from the 1980s.


As per Bill's ground rules, let's let the reviews speak for themselves and avoid hashing them over. As always, be nice to everyone and they'll be nice to you.
 

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A week ago, I watched the 1984 film Romancing the Stone on Fox HD television. It was a s-l-o-w night for baseball. I'd seen the picture years ago but not in a theater so watching it in HD on a 47" LCD was a treat. I lol all over again. A well-made fun film.


So I decided to rent from Netflix the 1986 sequel The Jewel of the Nile on BD. I'd seen it in SD on a small screen when it first came out. I watched it last night on BD on the 83. We all know about sequels. It's rare that one lives up to the original and this one was no exception. Still it was a fun film even if predictable.


Also I watched both Special Features that were © 2006. The director Lewis Teague makes the point in one of them that it couldn't have been made in today's political climate in the Middle East. A film that portrays a despotic Arab ruler named Omar and Americans assist in his overthrow as the ruler of a Middle Eastern Arab nation might provoke a jihad! Teague says that in 1986 we were naïve and the film makers managed to avoid an international incident.


Except for the fake F-16 . Douglas who was the film's producer says that initially he tried to get plans from General Dynamics, the manufacturer. They said "Are you kidding? It's a military secret!" So, studio technicians bought a small scale model of the plane at a toy store and scaled it up! When first rolled out on location in Morocco, both Arab and Israeli satellites picked it up and they asked serious questions about it. They found it hard to believe it wasn't flyable!


All three stars - Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito - appear in the Special Features, an act of courage considering it lends to direct comparison with their physical appearance of 20 years prior. Only DeVito has aged well. I suppose if you are already short and fat, there's not much bad that can happen over 20 years.


A fun night at the movies.


OAR anamorphic 2.35:1. I used the dts 5.1 audio track with subtitles. Technicolor.




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"Raiders of the Lost Ark" (1981)

My buddy and I walked from our neighborhood to the movie theater that was only a few miles away, not knowing what we were about to experience with this first filmed adventure of Indiana Jones. Wow! Our young minds were blown by the action in this amazing experience of a movie. It was certainly the most violent film we'd seen in our young lives, but we were not traumatized, merely thrilled by what Spielberg had created.
 
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Detective Constable "Dangerous" Davies is the central character in a series of comic novels by British writer Leslie Thomas. The first novel in the series was made into a film for UK TV in 1981. It later became a made-for-UK-TV series (available on Netflix).

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Davies is a low-ranked CID officer in the London borough of Willesden. He is nicknamed "Dangerous" ironically because he is said to be harmless. His real first name is never revealed. In the novels and TV series he is called "The Last Detective" from his superior's assessment of him as "the last detective, since he was never dispatched on any assignment unless it was very risky or there was no one else to send". Despite this, Davies is by no means a poor detective, and although he can take longer than his colleagues, and is dogged by bad luck, he does usually "get his man" in the end.


The first story had him drifting into the years-old unsolved case of the disappearance of Celia Norris, a local girl with a dark side. With his friend, the perpetually unemployed and well-read Mod Lewis (he spends all his time at the library to save on heating) he tracks down the culprit, collecting plenty of cuts, bumps and bruises along the way at the hands of the local thugs. At one point he is "binned" an empty dustbin is placed over his head, pinning his arms, and the outside is then hit with pickaxe handles.


Bernard Cribbins played Davies in the first television version of this story. At the end he was swathed in so many bandages as to be unrecognizable, and confined temporarily to a wheelchair.

This first film really stands alone. The UK TV series "The Last Detective" didn't get started until 2003. This one isn't readily available in this country so I took a chance and ordered it from Amazon UK.


It is humorous - maybe whimsical is a better word - but not over the top. Not a "Pink Panther" clone by any means. Really a fun movie to watch with an endearing central character.


One note of trivia. It was to be UK character actor Bernard Lee's last film. He died of cancer in January 1981, just days after the film was released. Lee is a personal favorite of mine with an extensive filmography going back to 1934. He was best known in this country for playing "M" in eleven James Bond movies.


This Region 2 SD DVD is in color of good quality. OAR 4x3. DD mono. Filmed on location in London. It has a subtle music background that adds a nice light touch.


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Not every review here is positive. Recently I watched the first half of the 1984 film "Swing Shift" with Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell and Christine Lahty.


According to the blurb on Netflix , this was the "comedy" that also "began Kurt Russell and Hawn's longtime real-life relationship."


The story line reported here indicates that Hawn and Russell with the producer had some of the director's work reshot so as to convert it from a serious film to a comedy.

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Swing Shift has become a case study for a star/producer interfering. Hawn and Russell saw the film as a lighthearted vehicle while the director Demme attempted to create a more serious film. Hawn and Warner Brothers requested a recut and partial re-shooting in order to get the movie they had hired Demme to film. Demme's director's cut exists on bootleg VHS only. Both cuts run 100 minutes.

I fail to see what's funny about wives of servicemen having romantic affairs while their husbands are overseas. Girl friends not waiting for their boy friends to return is one thing. Marital infidelity is quite another. IMHO.


I ejected it about half way through. The SD DVD played alright. Just trash.


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Flash Gordon (1980), directed by Mike Hodges.

Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror.

I saw this in the theater. In the next row were two serious science fiction fans, very unhappy. I've always wanted serious SF in films too, but after a while you get tired of waiting and just want to have fun. Here they turn the Silly Dial up to 10. And sometimes to 11, which is too much: when the Hawkman says "they just winged me", or when they play the Wedding March for Ming's nuptials, I just wish they hadn't.

Still, you have to give them credit for achieving what they intended. No suspension of disbelief required, because there is no intended believable world. Time has made the production more than a bit clunky, but it still has an amount of grandeur. The music helps. There are moments when we glimpse a possibly more serious treatment.

Max von Sydow was born to play Ming the Merciless. All those years with Ingmar Bergman were just prelude. His Ming is more believable than his Jesus.

Brian Blessed and Timothy Dalton: I admire those distinguished British actors who will do anything. Ornella Muti: yeow. The only other picture I remember her in was Swann in Love. Everyone else: good job. What happened to you afterwards?

Back then I wanted one of the space shuttles to be named War Rocket Ajax. Dear Dale Arden: how does doing a cartwheel improve your aim? I wondered the same thing in The Matrix. The woodbeast is kind of cool, as is the swamp spider thing. Some of the laser blast and energy field effects look like the video games popular at the time.

I counted the word "pleasure" used with lewd emphasis 7 times. It's a PG film.

Available on Blu-ray. I notice it was filmed with some sort of star filter in some scenes, most noticeable when there is a lot of sparkly jewelry. That can't help the fine detail.



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ALIENS....I was 12 years old when I went to see this film with my mom and my twin brother. The most hair-raising experience with film, but I was so enthralled with the film it made me a believer. So much so that I like 'Aliens' over 'Alien'....it's a time thing I guess. I was at the prime age to see this movie, even if it was a couple years to early to see this film
BTW the directors cut is the only way to see this film.......
 

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Tonight i watched The Accidental Tourist ...

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... a 1988 American drama film. It was directed by Lawrence Kasdan and scored by John Williams. The film's screenplay was adapted by Kasdan and Frank Galati from the novel of the same name by Anne Tyler. One of the most acclaimed films of 1988, it was nominated for several awards including four Academy Awards. The cast includes William Hurt, Kathleen Turner, Geena Davis and Bill Pullman.

It's a Netflix rental and we can get a short plot synopsis there.

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An author of travel guides (William Hurt) must come to terms with the tragic murder of his young son and his estranged wife. But things begin to look up when he meets a lovely, kooky dog trainer (Geena Davis) who definitely marches to the beat of her own drum. Davis won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her role in this faithful adaptation of Ann Tyler's novel, which itself won A National Book Critics Circle Award.

The syntax of this brief summary is misleading. The wife is not murdered. The first sentence might better read "An author of travel guides (William Hurt) must come to terms with the tragic murder of his young son and the subsequent estrangement of his wife."


This SD DVD sat on my desk for days. I just couldn't imagine that a film that involved the loss of a son, something I have experienced within the past year, could be humorous ... and yet it is, as I found out when I finally decided to watch it. Often humor is effective because it cuts close to real life.


Roger Ebert wrote a fine review of the film and he sums it up well. "... I've never seen a movie so sad in which there was so much genuine laughter. 'The Accidental Tourist' is one of the best films of the year."


I'd originally put it in my rental queue due to the fine cast. It was a reunion for director/screen play writer Lawrence Kasdan along with Hurt and Turner whose careers were launched when they worked together in the i981 film "Body Heat." Only the imperfect summary of the film on Netflix gave me a clue about the plot. Maybe just as well.


I loved it. Geena Davs was irrepressible in the role of the character she played. She wanted the part when she first read the book. Smart woman. William Hurt was deserving of an Oscar himself for a stellar performance. The writer/director stayed close to the book including filming at some of the locations in Baltimore described in it. Smart man.


Finally, the dog(s) that played Edward - mainly "Bud" - were impressive, talented and lovable Cardigan Welsh Corgis.


I also watched the director's introduction and Geena Davis' commentary that were recorded in 2003. Geena talked more about winning the Oscar and what it meant to her and how exciting it was than about filming the movie. Obviously the film meant a lot to her personally and advanced her career. There's a genuineness about her that is refreshing.


If you watch it, you'll like it.


OAR Panavision 2.35:1. Technicolor. DD stereo. SD DVD.




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 The Holcroft Covenant is a 1985 film based on the Robert Ludlum novel of the same name. The film starred Michael Caine, Victoria Tennant and Anthony Andrews. It was directed by John Frankenheimer.

The plot of the book is complicated.

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The novel concerns Noel Holcroft, New York architect—and secretly the son of Heinrich Clausen, chief economic advisor to the Third Reich. At some point in the 1970s, Holcroft is contacted by the Grande Banque de Geneve, concerning his father's will and testament. The testament says that in the last half of the war, Clausen found out about the Holocaust. Horrified and desperate to make amends, he and his two friends stole vast amounts of money, from thousands of individual sources throughout the Reich, and funneled them into a secure account in Zurich, Switzerland. Now, if Holcroft will contact the children of the two friends, they can form a group to distribute the funds and alleviate some of the pain of the Holocaust.


... Holcroft is continuously blindsided as good guys turn out to be bad guys, bad guys turn out to be good guys, and Holcroft, who has no training whatsoever in intelligence, is forced to learn on the job.

The book ran 500 pages. Therein lies the problem for the film. As Frankenheimer explains early in his audio commentary as the film rolls, his job entailed simplifying the typical twists and turns of a Robert Ludlum novel. Sad to say, it really doesn't come off.


The SD DVD originally attracted me because of the reputation of the director and the film's stars, all of whom I admired based on previous work. Michael Caine's reputation precedes him. Frankheimer notes he was a last minute replacement for another actor and practically gushes over Caine's professionalism and positive influence on the cast. Victoria Tennant I'd seen in the 1983 TV miniseries "Winds of War" and its 1988 sequel "War and Remembrance." She is smashingly beautiful and can act - a little. Anthony Andrews I'd seen in the lead role in the very well done British 1979 TV series "Danger UXB." They are all UK actors; only Caine is well known in this country.


In a supporting role is an actress who knew what it was like to have lived in Germany in the early days of the rise of Adolph Hitler - Lilli Palmer . She plays the mother of Michael Caine's character. A very well-preserved 70 at the time of filming, she died a year later. This was her last film. RIP.


The film got mixed reviews when it was first shown in theaters and I can see why. Even after Frankenheimer simplifies the plot, it has too many twists and turns. Caine's character says at one point that there are real bullets flying and people are really getting killed but it's hard to take it seriously. There's even a little comedy thrown in.


An excellent cast with a fine director, they just can't deliver the "spy thriller" the keep case promises. Still an interesting film.


SD DVD. OAR 1.85:1 widescreen. Mono audio. I used the English subtitles. I listened to part of the audio commentary offered by director John Frankenheimer. © 1999. Color.


Trivia. Extra dialogue was inserted after Michael Caine took over the lead role at the last minute to explain that he doesn't drive (in real life as well as in the movie). He explains to Victoria Tennant that one doesn't need to drive in New York City where his character resides on 42nd St. He goes on to say that he has a friend who lives in the country whose house is supposed to be an hour away from 42nd St., but the truth is that you can only get to 43rd St. in an hour driving a car. Probably even more true today than it was in 1985.

 

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Karate Kid.


Story holds up very nicely.

The music? Not so much.


I have to admit I keep thinking the girls dressed..frumpy. Shorts and sweat shirt? My how times have changed.
 

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Flash Gordon (1980) , directed by Mike Hodges.

Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror.


I saw this in the theater. In the next row were two serious science fiction fans, very unhappy. I've always wanted serious SF in films too, but after a while you get tired of waiting and just want to have fun. Here they turn the Silly Dial up to 10. And sometimes to 11, which is too much: when the Hawkman says "they just winged me", or when they play the Wedding March for Ming's nuptials, I just wish they hadn't.


Still, you have to give them credit for achieving what they intended. No suspension of disbelief required, because there is no intended believable world. Time has made the production more than a bit clunky, but it still has an amount of grandeur. The music helps. There are moments when we glimpse a possibly more serious treatment.


Max von Sydow was born to play Ming the Merciless. All those years with Ingmar Bergman were just prelude. His Ming is more believable than his Jesus.


Brian Blessed and Timothy Dalton: I admire those distinguished British actors who will do anything. Ornella Muti: yeow. The only other picture I remember her in was Swann in Love. Everyone else: good job. What happened to you afterwards?


Back then I wanted one of the space shuttles to be named War Rocket Ajax. Dear Dale Arden: how does doing a cartwheel improve your aim? I wondered the same thing in The Matrix. The woodbeast is kind of cool, as is the swamp spider thing. Some of the laser blast and energy field effects look like the video games popular at the time.


I counted the word "pleasure" used with lewd emphasis 7 times. It's a PG film.


Available on Blu-ray. I notice it was filmed with some sort of star filter in some scenes, most noticeable when there is a lot of sparkly jewelry. That can't help the fine detail.




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Karate Kid.


Story holds up very nicely.

The music? Not so much.


I have to admit I keep thinking the girls dressed..frumpy. Shorts and sweat shirt? My how times have changed.

We finished watching the other week and my wife commented on how Daniel Larusos pants are up around his stomach area.


I agree with the music!!
 

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A week ago, I watched the 1984 film Romancing the Stone on Fox HD television. It was a s-l-o-w night for baseball. I'd seen the picture years ago but not in a theater so watching it in HD on a 47" LCD was a treat. I lol all over again. A well-made fun film.


So I decided to rent from Netflix the 1986 sequel The Jewel of the Nile on BD. I'd seen it in SD on a small screen when it first came out. I watched it last night on BD on the 83. We all know about sequels. It's rare that one lives up to the original and this one was no exception. Still it was a fun film even if predictable.


Also I watched both Special Features that were © 2006. The director Lewis Teague makes the point in one of them that it couldn't have been made in today's political climate in the Middle East. A film that portrays a despotic Arab ruler named Omar and Americans assist in his overthrow as the ruler of a Middle Eastern Arab nation might provoke a jihad! Teague says that in 1986 we were naïve and the film makers managed to avoid an international incident.


Except for the fake F-16 . Douglas who was the film's producer says that initially he tried to get plans from General Dynamics, the manufacturer. They said "Are you kidding? It's a military secret!" So, studio technicians bought a small scale model of the plane at a toy store and scaled it up! When first rolled out on location in Morocco, both Arab and Israeli satellites picked it up and they asked serious questions about it. They found it hard to believe it wasn't flyable!


All three stars - Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito - appear in the Special Features, an act of courage considering it lends to direct comparison with their physical appearance of 20 years prior. Only DeVito has aged well. I suppose if you are already short and fat, there's not much bad that can happen over 20 years.


A fun night at the movies.


OAR anamorphic 2.35:1. I used the dts 5.1 audio track with subtitles. Technicolor.




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An American werewolf in london for me it was the first horror I experinced in the 80's. I went with my brothers and my old man. I remember my brother could not handle it especially the dreams he was having with the werewolf and the other underworld creatures knocking at the family door and killing them all.
 
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 Trouble in Mind (1985) , written and directed by Alan Rudolph.


I was nuts about this movie back then and saw it in the theater many times, but the mood of that moment has passed. It's been so long that it seems like a different film. I still remember all the lines, and in fact I've been quoting them unknowingly all these years ("Wrong man at the right time don't mean s***, pal").


What was quirky and offbeat then seems more strained and farcical now. But at moments it still amazes the mind and tugs at the heart.


Hawk (Kris Kristofferson) is a police detective who has just spent years in jail for murdering a thug who needed killing. He did it for Wanda and returns to Rain City (Seattle in our world) hoping to get with her again, but she just wants to be friends. The years have made him bitter and our question is: is he too far gone, or does he have one last heroic soul-saving gesture in him?


Wanda (Geneviève Bujold) owns a diner. She collects stray people and is that sort of tough human glue that keeps a little society together. She likes Hawk, loves him even, but he is loads of trouble.


Coop (Keith Carradine) and Georgia (Lori Singer, who I always confused with Daryl Hannah back then) are dumb kids with a baby, looking for a new chance in the city. Crime is on Coop's mind and he partners with Solo (Joe Morton), a thief who writes poetry in the cafe.


Crime in Rain City is controlled by Hilly Blue (Divine, wearing men's clothes for the first time). If Hawk wants Georgia, what if the price is going up against Hilly Blue to save her dumb husband?


They call it neo-noir, whatever that means. The beginning and middle have a serious, if other-worldly, tone. The violent dramatic climax is bizarrely over the top, but the sad ending recovers.


An odd thing: I've always had a favorite diner wherever I've lived. I distinctly remember spending time at Wanda's Cafe but I can't remember where it was, and it's fictional anyway. How strange is that?


Mark Isham provides a cuttingly poignant score and Marianne Faithfull sings the title song. At the end she takes us out with a heartbreaking cover of Kristofferson's "El Gavilan":

Storm on the mountain

Stars in the sky

Running for glory

Freedom to fly


Will you remember

Way down the road

Somebody loves you

More than you know
Like many of David Lynch's films, it ends with a glimpse of Heaven.


I can't tell if this is merely out of print in NTSC/region 1 DVD, or if it was never available. I imported a PAL region 2 disc. The OAR is supposed to be 1.66; it has been zoomed to 1.78 here. An 18 minute extra has the director and Carradine telling funny stories about the picture years later.




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 Swann in Love (1984) , directed by Volker Schlöndorff.


I read Swann's Way years ago, but the only part I remember is the middle section called "Swann in Love", which is about his obsessive and degrading love for Odette, a courtesan. There is a special Hell for jealous lovers and Proust meticulously mapped it down to the wallpaper.


The film is more sexually explicit than the book, and the dialogue covers matters which Swann only suspects and fears in the text: that Odette works at brothels part time, that she goes with women, etc.


Jeremy Irons speaks his own French and is, as always, good at aristocratic languor and suppressed longing. Ornella Muti, last seen as Princess Aura in Flash Gordon, is a mysterious and sad-eyed Odette. She's in the love business and obviously has to keep her options open, much to Swann's irritation. She contributes a bit of nudity and some passion scenes.


Slow paced, just like the book. Proust wrote in bed and didn't care how long it took to read him. It's mostly conversation and situations.


Photographed by Sven Nykvist.




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 Ladyhawke (1985) , directed by Richard Donner.


A fine-looking medieval fantasy filmed in Italy. A new, lushly romantic fairy tale plot. Not as comical as Willow or The Princess Bride, which is both good and bad. Good because comic mugging doesn't always wear well, bad because what seemed serious then tends to be emotionally drippy now.


More good features:
  • The romantic leads. Rutger Hauer is a great knight, holding close his honor and quest for vengeance, but losing hope of love. Michelle Pfeiffer's exotic beauty fits the story well and she has the more enduring faith.
  • Fine supporting players, especially Leo McKern as the monk who is semi-crazed by guilt, seeking redemption. John Wood is pretty freaky as the bishop who made a bargain with the Evil One, and Ken Hutchison and Alfred Molina are good villains.
  • Great settings and photography, with an interesting mix of realism and fantasy costuming.

Not so good:
  • I don't think Matthew Broderick ruins the story, but I would have used someone else. On the one hand his wisecracking and sneakiness are what you would expect from a petty thief, but on the other he has an unavoidably contemporary persona.
  • Fans seem to be split on the music. Count me as one who would have the film rescored. It isn't all bad but the synthesizer action music has a cheap and frivolous tone that hurts the story. My regrets to Alan Parsons.
  • The ending. I don't mind the big romantic finish, that's inevitable and appropriate. But good grief: too much syrup is gagging.

It would be churlish to complain about astronomical errors in a movie about people turning into hawks and wolves. Filmmakers never get it right anyway.


The NTSC DVD is very old and the encoding ugly. It is a flipper disc with 4:3 pan & scan on one side and 4:3 letterboxed widescreen on the other, both single layer. The region 2 PAL DVD is anamorphic dual layer and a good upgrade, including better color. But it is still nothing to write home about and we need a hidef version. I'm sure there is a fan base large enough to support a Blu-ray edition.




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 Streets of Fire (1984) , directed by Walter Hill.


When pop star Diane Lane is kidnapped by creepy motorcycle gang boss Willem Dafoe, her former flame and tough guy Michael Paré returns home to get her back. He acquires sidekick army girl Amy Madigan but has to put up with unusually snide manager Rick Moranis. He can get the girlfriend back, but does he want to keep her? And what happens when the gang comes around for revenge?


A western plot (the hero wears a duster and uses a lever-action rifle) in an alternative 1950s reality. Much comic snappy patter and brawling. I wish I had the exploding/burning car and motorcycle concession for this film.


It did poorly at the box office; maybe just bad timing. I don't know why it is so watchable but it's always been a favorite of mine. I don't particularly like 80s pop music but I like it here. The bluesy, heavy dobro score by Ry Cooder is very cool. Some Blasters tunes and Robert Townsend shows up with a doo-wop group.


The train and grubby under-the-El locations were shot in Chicago; looks just like it, too.

Walter Hill tends to deliver entertainment value. I'm fond of his Hard Times, Southern Comfort, and Last Man Standing. I'll have to revisit some of his other pictures. And note his projects as a producer: the Alien films, Deadwood. According the the IMDB his favorite directors are John Ford, Howard Hawks, John Huston, Raoul Walsh, Sam Peckinpah, and Sergio Leone. That makes perfect sense: all the hard men.


The DVD is 4:3 letterboxed. This was available as a Universal HD DVD but a Blu-ray has not yet appeared. I'd buy one.




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