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I tried it several years ago and did nada with my Dwin CRT projector or audio. I suspect it may helt correct ground problems a bit, but there are better and much less expensive ways to do that.
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Levy, what differences did you see?
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Steve, the one I'm referring to wouldn't do anything to clean up any ground problems. It's basically a big inductor across the line, I believe it's about a 8H inductor, I found that info on an audio website I visit. I have heard it demoed on audio and there was a difference, was it more correct or not, I don't know the demo was too short to come to any conclusions. They do have a web sight where they explain it etc. I'd just wanted to know if it makes any improvement in pq, I suppose that may go hand in hand with how bad one's AC feed is to their area. Curt maybe you have some big honking inductors kicking around you could try.
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Hmm, get a big enough inductor and you too can change AC to DC. Then watch the projector blow up.
Wonder if any power conditioning company would cover that?..
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Wonder if any power conditioning company would cover that?..
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I really doubt it. If you have ever looked at what a SMPS in your PJ does to the AC before it uses it, you would probably doubt it too.
Deron.
I really doubt it. If you have ever looked at what a SMPS in your PJ does to the AC before it uses it, you would probably doubt it too.
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I use one of the 80lb substations with my stack. I decided to use it for line stability reasons so that the stack had the best I could give it. I had a bad unit for a week or so and had no conditioning during that time, until the replacement arrived. The picture looked no different to me with or without.
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| Originally posted by Art Sonneborn I use one of the 80lb substations with my stack. I decided to use it for line stability reasons so that the stack had the best I could give it. I had a bad unit for a week or so and had no conditioning during that time, until the replacement arrived. The picture looked no different to me with or without. Art |
Well they do make several different conditioners. Some of the inductor across the line type, some are of the isolation type. Of course they'll have different results, which model number is the substations that you have Art. So I guess we can rule out that one.
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The results of these power line conditioners are dependent on the power that YOU have in YOUR room and can have little to amazing results.
That being said you can't overlook the advantages of good power. I am a retailer of RGPC products and more importantly a believer and user.
In my system I have a Substation (240 volts to 120 volts version), (2) 400s, (1) 600s, (1) 1200s, (5) Hightension wires for the amps and the 600s & 1200s. My system is very elaborate. It is really two complete system's as I demo several products for my customers in my home. I am a custom installer.
Here is what I currently have...
1 pair of Vandersteen 3A signatures vertically bi-amped with two Pass Labs X250 amps( one for each speaker) with RGPC Hightension wire power cords and Analysis Plus Silver Oval shotgunned speaker wires and XLR interconnects.
1 Vandersteen VCC-5 center channel powered by one channel from a Theta Dreadnaught II amp with a RGPC Hightension wire power cord and Analysis Plus Silver Oval shotgunned speaker wire and XLR interconnect.
1 pair of Vandersteen VSM Signature surrounds powered by two channels of the Theta Dreadnaught II using Analysis Plus oval 12 shotgunned speaker wires.
Soon to add 1 more pair of the Vandersteen VSM sigs for rear surrounds.
A Theta Compli sending digital out to a Theta Generation VIII DAC/ analog preamp to the Pass X-250's for two channel or a Krell SACD to a Pass Labs X-1 preamp to the Pass amps.
And 1 Vandesteen V2W subwoofer and again using Analysis Plus XLR interconnect for subs.
The Compli also sends digital audio to a Theta Casablanca III with Extreme DAC's for DD/DTS and the Compli sends 6 channels of analog out to a Theta Six shooter for multi-channel SACD/DVD audio all of these XLR/BNC/RCA interconnects are Analysis Plus Silver Oval and or Digital oval wires and Power Oval power cords
For video the Theta Compli sends SDI out to an HD LEEZA which goes to either a Sony VPH 1292 9" CRT projector or out to an InFocus Screen Play 777 3 chip DLP projector or Analysis Plus DVI interconnect.
There is also an Dish network model 6000 hi-def box and a JVC 30K D-VHS VCR both going through the HD Leeza. The power cords for the projectors are Analysis Plus Power Oval 10's.
The room is acoustically treated with ASC tube traps, floor to ceiling, using (28) 4 foot columns of varying sizes 9",11", and 16".
The equipment sits on(2) Stillpoints ESS stands with Stillpoints and the amps and subwoofer are on 1st edition Stillpoints amp stands. Many of these source componates have been treated by me using Stillpionts ERS RFI/EMI blocking material, with phenomenal results I might add.
Everything in this system is powered and conditioned by Richard Gray's Power Company and I can tell you that compared to Monster there is no doubt that the RGPC product is far and away better. It is also not cheap, but hey you get what you pay for.
What you hear are a quieter noise floor thus yielding greater depth and width with far greater focus and detail as well as tighter bass and transients.
What you see are better blacks with less video noise and a deep more 3D image with awesome colors.
Just a side point, all of the other powerline conditioners that I am familiar with have an up-side and a down-side. That is, they do some things right or well but have some issues that bring some bad or undesirable effects too. RGPC is the only product I know of that doesn't hurt your sound or picture (see reveiw in The Absolute Sound).
The best way to evaluate them is to plug them into your system and live with them for about a week then take them out and listen/watch. I am sure you will defiantly miss them and choose to buy them. I also recommend that you use at least (2) 400 at a minimum if you want to get the most noticeable improvement.
As a further point ALL PLASMA displays should have at least (1) 400 on the line as their power supplys are very poorly designed and work much better with RGPC conditioning. Try it you will be amazed!
You will ALWAYS need to recalibate your black levels on your video display as the RGPC line conditioners change this.
If you have any doubts you can try their products for free from any good RGPC dealer so you have nothing to lose.
That being said you can't overlook the advantages of good power. I am a retailer of RGPC products and more importantly a believer and user.
In my system I have a Substation (240 volts to 120 volts version), (2) 400s, (1) 600s, (1) 1200s, (5) Hightension wires for the amps and the 600s & 1200s. My system is very elaborate. It is really two complete system's as I demo several products for my customers in my home. I am a custom installer.
Here is what I currently have...
1 pair of Vandersteen 3A signatures vertically bi-amped with two Pass Labs X250 amps( one for each speaker) with RGPC Hightension wire power cords and Analysis Plus Silver Oval shotgunned speaker wires and XLR interconnects.
1 Vandersteen VCC-5 center channel powered by one channel from a Theta Dreadnaught II amp with a RGPC Hightension wire power cord and Analysis Plus Silver Oval shotgunned speaker wire and XLR interconnect.
1 pair of Vandersteen VSM Signature surrounds powered by two channels of the Theta Dreadnaught II using Analysis Plus oval 12 shotgunned speaker wires.
Soon to add 1 more pair of the Vandersteen VSM sigs for rear surrounds.
A Theta Compli sending digital out to a Theta Generation VIII DAC/ analog preamp to the Pass X-250's for two channel or a Krell SACD to a Pass Labs X-1 preamp to the Pass amps.
And 1 Vandesteen V2W subwoofer and again using Analysis Plus XLR interconnect for subs.
The Compli also sends digital audio to a Theta Casablanca III with Extreme DAC's for DD/DTS and the Compli sends 6 channels of analog out to a Theta Six shooter for multi-channel SACD/DVD audio all of these XLR/BNC/RCA interconnects are Analysis Plus Silver Oval and or Digital oval wires and Power Oval power cords
For video the Theta Compli sends SDI out to an HD LEEZA which goes to either a Sony VPH 1292 9" CRT projector or out to an InFocus Screen Play 777 3 chip DLP projector or Analysis Plus DVI interconnect.
There is also an Dish network model 6000 hi-def box and a JVC 30K D-VHS VCR both going through the HD Leeza. The power cords for the projectors are Analysis Plus Power Oval 10's.
The room is acoustically treated with ASC tube traps, floor to ceiling, using (28) 4 foot columns of varying sizes 9",11", and 16".
The equipment sits on(2) Stillpoints ESS stands with Stillpoints and the amps and subwoofer are on 1st edition Stillpoints amp stands. Many of these source componates have been treated by me using Stillpionts ERS RFI/EMI blocking material, with phenomenal results I might add.
Everything in this system is powered and conditioned by Richard Gray's Power Company and I can tell you that compared to Monster there is no doubt that the RGPC product is far and away better. It is also not cheap, but hey you get what you pay for.
What you hear are a quieter noise floor thus yielding greater depth and width with far greater focus and detail as well as tighter bass and transients.
What you see are better blacks with less video noise and a deep more 3D image with awesome colors.
Just a side point, all of the other powerline conditioners that I am familiar with have an up-side and a down-side. That is, they do some things right or well but have some issues that bring some bad or undesirable effects too. RGPC is the only product I know of that doesn't hurt your sound or picture (see reveiw in The Absolute Sound).
The best way to evaluate them is to plug them into your system and live with them for about a week then take them out and listen/watch. I am sure you will defiantly miss them and choose to buy them. I also recommend that you use at least (2) 400 at a minimum if you want to get the most noticeable improvement.
As a further point ALL PLASMA displays should have at least (1) 400 on the line as their power supplys are very poorly designed and work much better with RGPC conditioning. Try it you will be amazed!
You will ALWAYS need to recalibate your black levels on your video display as the RGPC line conditioners change this.
If you have any doubts you can try their products for free from any good RGPC dealer so you have nothing to lose.
So from a dearlers point of view, which one is best suited for crt's, which one do you have your 1292 plugged into or is it into a combination of them. And yes of course it would depend on the state of the AC coming in to sart with, the more crap on the line the better the results would be.
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As to what ART was doing in his system...
The Sub station is a isolation transformer that can be configured two ways. In 120 volt or 240 volt versions. In the 240 volt version you need a 20 amp dedicated 240 volt line with at least 10 guage wire home run from the panel to your room. In this configuration you can have a constant load of 2.5 KW with a peak of 4KW. The 120 volt version is limited to 2.4 KW do to a 20 amp circuit breaker.
Art which version did you have and what was the load you were driving?
There is no additional power line conditioning other than the isolation aspect of the substation. It would be best if you were to add a 1200s to one of the outlets in the substation as this will give you both isolation AND powerline conditioning.
For those who have a serious system that requires more power delivery, RGPC has just released their new Power House. This is a much larger isolation transformer rated at 6.2 KW constant using a 30 amp 240 volt dedicated line and incorporating a 1200s powerline conditioner into one, not so small, single unit with 21 hubble outlets. You will be hard pressed to find a system that needs more power than the Power House can provide. This unit weighs in at a whopping 375 LBS, Thank goodness it is on wheels. It is retailing at $8995.00
The Sub station is a isolation transformer that can be configured two ways. In 120 volt or 240 volt versions. In the 240 volt version you need a 20 amp dedicated 240 volt line with at least 10 guage wire home run from the panel to your room. In this configuration you can have a constant load of 2.5 KW with a peak of 4KW. The 120 volt version is limited to 2.4 KW do to a 20 amp circuit breaker.
Art which version did you have and what was the load you were driving?
There is no additional power line conditioning other than the isolation aspect of the substation. It would be best if you were to add a 1200s to one of the outlets in the substation as this will give you both isolation AND powerline conditioning.
For those who have a serious system that requires more power delivery, RGPC has just released their new Power House. This is a much larger isolation transformer rated at 6.2 KW constant using a 30 amp 240 volt dedicated line and incorporating a 1200s powerline conditioner into one, not so small, single unit with 21 hubble outlets. You will be hard pressed to find a system that needs more power than the Power House can provide. This unit weighs in at a whopping 375 LBS, Thank goodness it is on wheels. It is retailing at $8995.00
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If you want power line conditioning then choose a 400mkII or better still a 1200. If you need more constant power or need to isolate your equipment
from all the garbage on the line then get a Substation and a 400mkII or 1200. These products work extremely well with CRT technology and they will help your audio too.
If you want power line conditioning then choose a 400mkII or better still a 1200. If you need more constant power or need to isolate your equipment
from all the garbage on the line then get a Substation and a 400mkII or 1200. These products work extremely well with CRT technology and they will help your audio too.
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Sorry WTS I guess you missed the part in my long post, ALL of my equipment is running through RGPC equipment.
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Mine is the 120 volt unit and I have my PJs and the Faroudja 5000 running into it. For my picture to get any cleaner it would have to run through an autoclave.
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