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What do we widescreen TV owners do with movies shot in a wider aspect ratio than our 16:9 shaped displays? Let's take movies shot in 2:35:1 aspect ratio as our general example. We get the black bars on top and bottom, right? Personally, I've never been allergic to the black bars at all. They are fine with me. For me, there are only two ways in which they may intrude upon the viewing experience. 1. They can to a degree add to the "visual clutter" beyond the actual image information. Especially if, 2. the black bars are not terribly black. Which, especially in digital displays, tends to flag the fact your black levels aren't really black. You can see the glow in those big swatches of black bars, even on the best displays. (Projectors included: light spill from the image into the black bars lowers the contrast of the black bars, so the image appears projected onto a flat gray background, rather than being a window into the movie scene, surrounded by black space).


In the AV industry it's common wisdom that, if you can swing it, masking for 2:35:1 films (or any non-16:9 films) can improve the viewing experience and even the perceived picture quality. By masking here I'm referring to physically applying a black border around the 2:35:1 wide-screen movie image, so you only see the image and not the unused black bar area on your display. (There are also electronic versions of masking, wherein image processing applies black masks on the image itself surrounding the film image, but I'm not talking about those. And besides, they don't solve the problems inherent in many displays anyway).


The more high-falutin' front projector systems may employ electronic masking. If you are watching a 2:35:1 widescreen movie and your projector screen is only 16:9, a flick of a button electronically draws a black curtain from the top and the bottom of the screen, to effectively make your screen a perfect 2:35:1 shape. It therefore blocks out extraneous black bars, as well as light spill from the movie image onto the rest of the screen, leaving you only with the image itself floating in space, without any distractions.


This physical masking also provides deeper black, and hence deeper contrast around the movie image - much deeper than is provided by the letter-boxed black bar part of the image. The purported benefit of this is the image "pops" more, and it is said to also improve perceived contrast. Physical masking has been used not only in the front projection world, but also by finicky owners of RPTVs and even direct views, in their quest to improve the viewing experience of extra-wide movies.


So I gave it a whirl. Using some black cardboard attached to a few L-brackets, I cut two masks perfectly to size. When put on my plasma the entire plasma becomes black, except the 2:35:1 movie image showing through the middle of the masking. It was a fast prototype and not particularly pretty, but with the lights down the masking and the plasma disappear, leaving a 2:35:1 movie floating in pitch blackness.


Results: Pretty neat. It sort of purifies the viewing experience, and hence the image itself. The contrast between the image and off-image area is obviously richer, deeper and more dramatic. The image somehow seems brighter, even to the point that I would notch down the contrast/brightness more than without the masking. But bright, vibrant and pure are the adjectives that spring to mind watching 2:35:1 films this way. Nothing but the image itself on display.


At first I found myself conscious of the masking, aware that I was looking through masking to the image. This made me perceive the image as receding just a tad behind the black image border. That's the double-edged sword of the fact the image borders are going to remain blacker and more solid looking than anything on screen. The immediate effect reminded me of viewing real images through the viewfinder of a 35mm movie camera. And since the black masking removed any dimensional information

near the movie image (no grayish black letter-boxed bars, no visible modulations of plasma bezel etc), it seemed that dimensional cues were left all to the movie image itself. Distance cues seemed more convincing. Peering at landscapes was more like looking into a real scene, actors seemed a tad more separated in dimensional space. Neato. Also, There was something about camera movement that brought out this dimensionality aspect. With the lights down, the borderless image supplied most of the visual cues for orientation, and swooping camera moves in something like The Return Of The King were almost like riding the camera dolly itself, or peering out a swerving helicopter over a scene. Depending on what turns your crank, the effect is either thrillingly dimensional or almost nausea-producing. I thought it was cool.


Downsides? Perhaps one. The black levels ot the plasma image could sometimes appear a bit lighter, given that large image areas of black are now contrasted against absolute black borders. I occasionally found myself concerned with this, but strangely the significance seemed to change per film. While occasionally Alien seemed to have slightly dustier blacks than I'm used to without the masking, Attack Of The Clones and the Hobbit flicks were taken to another level of vividness and dimensionality.


I'm going to keep experimenting. But that's my experience so far. Thought I'd report for any other try-anything-for-the-best-image types out there.
 

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:D I had a feeling I'd be in the minority on this one.


Anyone else tried this? Or am I the only one wacko enough to go this far?
 

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Well, I'm intrigued.


Can you elaborate on the actuall "mask"...is it a type of cloth or what? Is it stretched tight over the cardboard frame? How did you attach the mask to the cardboard frame?


Pics??
 

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Well, I'm intrigued.


Can you elaborate on the actuall "mask"...is it a type of cloth or what? Is it stretched tight over the cardboard frame? How did you attach the mask to the cardboard frame?


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It was very simple. I bought a piece of black workboard paper (very thick and sturdy) 40" wide - exactly as wide as my plasma. For A/B testing purposes and ease of use I didn't want to attach the paper mask to the plasma. Rather, I wanted a structure that just sat on, or hung off, the plasma so I could merely lift it on/off.


I put on a 2:35:1 movie and measured from the top of my plasma frame down to the top of the movie image. (Approximately 4 1/4"). That would be the top mask.


My plasma is held over some low, built-in cabinets via an articulated arm. The bottom of the plasma hovers about 1 inch over the cabinet, so I figured I'd just let the bottom mask sit on the cabinet and reach up to cover

the bottom portion of the plasma. (From the bottom of the cabinet up to the bottom of the movie image was approximately 5 1/4").


I cut my two masks from the black workboard paper: the top being 40" wide, 4 1/4" tall, the bottom being 40" wide, 5 1/4" tall.


I taped three wide metal L-Brackets along the top edge of the top mask and the bottom edge of the bottom mask. So I just hang the top mask on the top of the plasma via the L-brackets, and the bottom mask just sits on the cabinet below my plasma, held upright by the L-bracket, thus covering the bottom portion of the display.


It was just a super-fast way to test the effect, so it's not pretty. I plan to come up with a more aesthetically pleasing version. However, since it's for use in watching movies in lower light the mask just becomes black and you can't see it anyway.


Here are two crappy pictures so you can see what I'm talking about:


(Well, I tried and tried to attach a picture to this post, using the add IMG button but no luck. How the heck do you work that thing?EDIT: Rich I fixed it )

http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/image/35045167.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/image/35045168.jpg
 

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Rich,


You're a mad man!! ;)


This does seem intriguing ! I guess if you use fabric it would have to be thick to block the light.
 

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That's a VERY interesting idea Rich!


I say interesting, because one of the things I noticed was that the Panny border is a "true" black, while the darkest black onscreen is a few notches brighter, and had been wondering if there was anything a person could do about it, or just accept the fact that the contrast ration, while good, could be a little better on Plasmas. You can only lower the brightness down so far, before you blow-out the darkest colors completely. (One of the reasons I use Gladiator as my test image for blackness. Don't have the chapter # handy, but it's right near the end, where the black guy is digging in the dirt.)


I realy like your observation/findings that a black border causes the colors to appear brighter! I forget the techinical term for this visual "anamoly", but our eye percieves intensity logarithmicaly, and when we increase the "range" (as in your case of physicaly lowering the bottom end), the colors in the middle appear to have more "life." I'm wondering what the contrast ratio (range) is on films? And if this is one of the reasons I don't like them.


2 Thumbs up! That's a cool "mod" :cool:
 

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Rich-


Do you notice any heat issues? My 503 radiates a lot of heat off the glass.

Does your 4uy have a temp guage?


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Nope. I've never had heat issues with my plasma. I didn't notice anything different heat-wise about the plasma while using the mask.
 

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That's a VERY interesting idea Rich!


I say interesting, because one of the things I noticed was that the Panny border is a "true" black, while the darkest black onscreen is a few notches brighter, and had been wondering if there was anything a person could do about it, or just accept the fact that the contrast ration, while good, could be a little better on Plasmas. You can only lower the brightness down so far, before you blow-out the darkest colors completely. (One of the reasons I use Gladiator as my test image for blackness. Don't have the chapter # handy, but it's right near the end, where the black guy is digging in the dirt.)
Exactly. I'd always noticed that movies filling the entire plasma image seemed to look best; that the image benefited from being framed by the dark border/plasma frame. There seemed to be more image pop, more feeling of contrast and somehow any black level issues were less of a distraction then when the black letter-boxed bars are visible.


It's like how that new Pioneer pro plasma, with it's big thick black bezel, had an image with such "wow" factor. The black bezel really off-sets the image, giving it a purity and undestracted quality.
 

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I was thinking about doing something similar to this, but in my case it would be when I'd want to watch 4x3 content in OAR. Was thinking about draping a couple of black towels over the sides of where the grey sidebars would be.
 

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Rich

re: the black mask being so much more blacker than the blacks on the screen...

Maybe you could use large sheets of mat board (like they use to mat pictures before framing). I believe the mat boards come in really large sizes. You might be able to make a one piece frame, to hang on the top of TV, that would frame (surround) the entire picture on screen. Also, the mat boards come in lots of colors and shades of colors. A dark "charcoal" might be better than "black" (?).
 

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I tried it some time ago and it did help the image improve, but my solution was using a PC DVD-player and moving the image all the way to the buttom and the putton a cloth on top of the plasma. It was too big a hassle, but image definitely improves.


It would be a great feature to implement, turning off the pixels on the sides (4:3) or buttom (1.85 & 2.35:1)
 

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Well, I'm hooked on the masking.


This is what I did: I went to a fabric place and found pretty much the perfect material for my purposes: bands of elesticized, black material just over 4" wide. They are essentially really big versions of the elastic trim bands that might hold up pants or anything you need to trim with elastic.


These bands would be my top and bottom mask for 2:35:1 movies (or other film aspect ratios that lead to horizontal black bars).


I sewed on two 14 cm strips of Velcro horizontally at the ends of each band.


Then I attached strips of Velcro - very discreet and completely out of view - on the rear of my plasma. They run along the vertical rear edge of the plasma.


When I watch a 2:35:1 movie it's a simple matter of whipping on the bands, attaching them to the Velcro on each side of the plasma. The elastic bands, when stretched across the screen, ensures a nice, clean, straight black line - nice and tight so with the lights lowered it just looks like the picture is appearing on a black field. There is little to no "looking through a mask" effect like there was when I placed the workboard masks in front of the display (it was hard to get them tight to the screen).


Also, the strips of Velcro running vertically behind my plasma means the position of the masks are completely adjustable to any variety of aspect ratio, any size of black letter-boxed bars that come my way. I'm not stuck with a mask that only works for 2:35:1 films.


The masks go on and off quickly and easily and are easily stored in the drawer under my plasma.


It's not like I need to use the masks all the time and I don't think I'd bother for daylight viewing. But I tend to watch movies at night and using the mask isn't an appreciable hassle at all.


The increase in apparent picture quality can really be something. When the image is completely pure, surrounded by pitch black and free of other visual distractions or references, you really pick up every detail, every bit of color and shadow information in the image. And, as I wrote before, the depth cues in the image really take a leap forward - you see "in" to the scene and spacial relationships take on an increased realism. Watching some Attack Of The Clones (ack!) last night was almost dizzying in how visceral the camera moves were in the flying scenes.


I love widescreen films, especially in the theater. However, on a measly 42" display it can be a little tough to take the hit in image reduction - when the entire screen isn't filled and the image is smaller. But the effects of using the masking are to give back some of the things you miss with a bigger image: apparent detail, depth, visceral impact etc.


Just when I thought things couldn't get better. :)


I do find that the masking increases apparent contrast and I feel I have to crank the contrast down somewhat (make sure no eye strain). But, Wow!
 

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R> Harkness: The principle of black surrounding the entire picture is logical and it helps to float the image in space. Now, why can't the manufacturuers get the message and surround the picture with BLACK..and the thinner the frame, the better. In the 7UY Panasonic almost got it right but they had to throw in a dark grey frame.
 

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I missed this thread until it popped up again recently...


I had a post a while ago linking to some optical illusions that show how the surroundings of an image can have a profound effect on the perception of the image itself (Gestalt psychology stuff). I have a Pio pro panel that has a blacker-than-black bezel, which in my opinion makes the on-screen black bars look dark gray (let's not get into the whole Pio / Panny black issue here -- that's not the point I'm trying to make). Your brain says, gee, those bars aren't really black after all, so all the "blacks" in the image itself are mapped / perceived as dark grays.


If you get rid of the not-really-black-but-dark-gray bars, your brain is not given large swaths of gray areas against which to map the darks in the image itself. In other words, the fast moving, transient "blacks" in the image are not sufficient on their own for your brain to realize they are actually a dark gray. If you have these large gray bars above and below, however, your brain has ample opportunity to make this observation.


I'm an engineer, not a psychologist, so I have no real basis for these crazy theories...


I'm seriously going to try what Rich has done to see if it improves the image as Rich reports.


Here's another question -- what about using this masking approach in conjunction with bias / back lighting?


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Ross, I agree with part of your totally freaked out, wacky theories. :)


The dark bezels are a blessing and a curse in the respects you mention.

They are great for setting off the image when the screen is full, but can reveal the letter-boxed bars as not-black (even on the Panny).


While I've generally been satisfied with the blacks of the Panny, even with 2:35:1 movies and the black bars, there is always room for improvement.

What I don't care for is the extra visual information that happens: Movie image, border of grayish/dark bars, then bezel of display, then if the lights are on there is the wall behind the plasma. All this as opposed to the movie theater experience of just the image.


With the masking, when I turn the lights down low basically it's just the image and it really intensifies the image and concentrates my attention on it.


Regarding the apparent black levels and dark borders. I think you are right about the black bar references. There's also the fact that most shadows in the actual movie image tend to be bordered by illuminated areas - highlights etc. Simply being near the illuminated area increases the apparent contrast and hence blackness of the shadows. But when not on a bright scene there isn't enough brightness, and the black bars are too thick, to benefit and they look gray.


When I first put on the masking I was actually mildly concerned about one thing: when the movie image had lots of shadow, the deepest shadows were revealed to be "not really black" next to the masking. In a way it occasionally felt I subjectively lost a bit of the deep panny blacks.


However, the effect is inconsistent and depends on the shot. And for whatever reason it seems less a problem with this tight fabric masking than the other I tried. Shadows seem quite natural, and it seems that shadow detail seems to be subjectively brought out a bit more by the masking.


Worth a try.
 

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Delving deeper into a subject I know nothing about...


The flat black of the mask may work better than the dark grey bars of the display itself because the brain might be trained / wired to ignore true blacks (i.e., "there's nothing there to look at -- don't waste any neurons processesing that part of the field of view") whereas the grey bars do represent something for the brain to "look at" and therefore cannot be ignored...?


For a cool (and mind-bending) demonstration how masking can totally change what your brain perceives, have a look at this page:

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/lum_ade...dow/index.html


There are two "Question" buttons. When you press the question button, two locations in the image are compared in terms of gray level. Next, a mask is applied to show that two areas are in fact of equal gray level (you can do this yourself by using the "Cover" buttons instead.


This one totally freaked me out, as I couldn't believe that masking would create such a huge difference in perceived illuminance level. To convince myself, I had to make a small paper verision of the "built-in" mask and hold it up to the computer screen.


There's a whole wack o' similar eyeball / brain benders on the main page here: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/


Ross
 

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Thanks Ross. It just so happens I was looking at the first illusion a few days ago. Someone an another forum posted only the picture itself (not the link to the web site). I was wondering what everyone was talking about "squares are the same shade? No way."


Here is another link to tons of similar illusions:

http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~moraes/illusion.html


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Here's another question -- what about using this masking approach in conjunction with bias / back lighting?


I've been testing just that combo. In a way it can be the best of both worlds - blacks in the image look even blacker with the increased purity of the image being flanked by the black masks.


The only two minuses I find when I turn on the bias light behind the plasma are:


1. I tend to loose a bit of the depth. For one thing the plasma image is no longer the only visual information - now the backlight is included. With the area lit up behind the plasma as a stable reference, there's less of a "I'm ridin' on the camera" effect. It also seems to loose a bit of depth because the illumination behind the plasma is a constant reminder that there is a flat wall directly behind the plasma. Whereas when it's not lit up the illusion of looking "through" the plasma, like a window into a scene, is more

easily achieved.


2. While the black levels appear deeper with the bias light, I get the impression that I loose a bit of shadow detail too. I assume this would be from the "iris dialing down" effect (or whatever is going on) which makes the blacks deeper but I make out a little less shadow detail.


Could be just the right combo for some people though. I am using the backlight sometimes, fer kicks. While it looses some things, in terms of sheer image quality it's really something to see.
 
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