Originally Posted by mr. wally /forum/post/19563543
why is empire the best of the 6?
because irvin knew something about character development
and how to get actors to project believable emotions.
Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/19563593
A shame he couldn't do the same in either his James Bond or RoboCop movies.
Empire Strikes Back really seems to have been a remarkable fusion where everyone brought out the best in each other.
Originally Posted by Tulpa /forum/post/19563647
Never Say Never Again wasn't THAT bad.
Originally Posted by ratpacker /forum/post/19566289
Never Say Never Again was released the same year as Octopussy. I'll take NSNA every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Moore's movie, or most of Moore's Bond's for that matter. The great Klaus Maria Brandauer and Kim Basinger in her prime and Sean Friggin' Connery? No brainer.
Originally Posted by MovieSwede /forum/post/19568915
The second part explains the first part of your text. A director is of course one of the most important part of the production. But if the script isnt good, he will have a hard time doing anything magical with it. And basicly everything in a production is important.
If someone fails his or her part, everybody else looks bad. And some times everybody do their part, but are a bad combination together.
Kershner deserves to be remembered for Empire and not Robocop 2.
Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/19569179
Oh, yes it is. It really is.
You should watch them both again. Neither is top-shelf Bond, but NSNA has aged much more badly than Octopussy, which is at least deliberately campy.
Originally Posted by Tulpa /forum/post/19569811
Raid on Entebbe, The Luck of Ginger Coffey and The Flim-Flam Man are all really good. Eyes of Laura Mars has some flaws, but not too bad.
Originally Posted by mr. wally /forum/post/19569602
geez, the guy died. no need to rip the movies he directed.
even if every flick he directed totally sucked, he will always be remembered
for empire. it is an all time classic.
i don't think anyone can criticize him for directing the best of the s.w.
films and doing a better job then g.l.
Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/19576386
Conversely, just because he's dead doesn't mean we need to romanticize him as one of the greatest filmmakers of the last century. He had one masterpiece in him (ESB), and a handful of other decent movies, but also some junk too. Unfortunately, it was the latter that dominated his post-Star Wars work.
I agree with this 100%, actually. My intent wasn't to disparage Kershner. Rather, I wish he could have brought that same magic he achieved with ESB to the James Bond and RoboCop franchises.