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Room is ready for sound!

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The wife has finally given me the ok to equip our media room which has sat empty since January. Although I am as excited as a kid on Xmas morning, I am a little apprehensive as I am a complete audio novice.


The room will be 95% used for movies, American Idol family night, and SuperBowl Parties the other 5% (if that) of the time will be the kids listening to music (we aren't big music fans). 5.1 speaker wire is installed with the outlets at ground level. I can put the sub on the right wall middle or left wall front. In the 3d model if you look close you can see the actual audio & power outlets. The outlets are at ground level so I would prefer to go with floor standing speakers in front & rear (or book shelves on stands in rear if floor speakers are overkill).


My budget for speakers is $3500 (2 fronts, 2 rears, sub, center). The dimensions for the room (a little hard to see in model) are 17' 10 1/2" x 14' 1". I understand speakers are a preference thing and opinions will vary but I am welcoming opinions for the simple fact I have none on this subject. Thank you!

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After some research I have came up with two options to fit my room.


Option A

Front Mains: ONIX Rocket RS760

Center: ONIX Rocket RSC200

Rears: ONIX Rocket RS550

Sub: ONIX Rocket UFW12


Option B

Axiom Epic 80 - 600 which includes

Front Mains: M80

Rears: QS8

Center: VP150

Sub: EP600


Which of these would be a better fit for my room (see model in initial post)? I haven't been bold enough to mix/match brands. If I do decide to go with Option A or B should I consider substituting a different center for the Axiom (read their center was weak) or rears for Onix or anything else? Are there options in the $3500 price range that I am overlooking? Finally, given the bar/counter location in my model should I mount the rears or will floor stands be ok?


Appreciate the help!
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Its kind of a shame that you didn't put at least your rear outlets at listening level. If i was you i would get annoyed fast at always trying to step around speakers on stands that are in the way.


Move the rears up 4-5 feet and go with an on-wall bi-polar or in-wall speaker

The rear channel is not all that important in the bass department. it just needs to be accurate.


here is a system that you might what to have a listen to.


Towers L/R - PSB Speakers - Image T65 Tower loudspeakers $1000

Center - PSB Speaker - Image C60 Center $450

Subwoofer - PSB Speakers - SubSeries 6i Subwoofer $700


and for Surrounds - PSB Speakers - Image S50 Surround Sound Speakers $750-pair

or
PSB Speakers - In-Wall CW180S Speaker $500 each
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Its kind of a shame that you didn't put at least your rear outlets at listening level. If i was you i would get annoyed fast at always trying to step around speakers on stands that are in the way.
My original layout did not include the counter/bar so I thought rears with floor stands would look nice but as you point out in this layout they will only get in the way. That being said I am considering going with in or on wall for the rears to give the bar/counter area a little more freedom to move about. This will require a little rewiring but shouldn't be a huge issue since the speaker wire is already in the rear wall. Too bad it will mean more $ wasted but live and learn.


Thank you for your recommendation, I will look into PSB.
go with the rocket setup, but with rss300's for surrounds
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go with the rocket setup, but with rss300's for surrounds
Do you recommend these as a solution to the floor standing rears getting in the way? I am on the fence between mounting something out of the way and going out out with 760s in the rear as well. Sure they will be in the way a little but they are so pretty :)
I have read good things about the Axiom rears and not much good about the Rocket rears would it be a mistake to go with the Rocket 760s, Sub, and Center and go with the Axiom Rears? I am 90% sure I will at least go with the Rocket 760's and Center, about 50% on the Sub and would go with the 760s in the rear if space weren't an issue.
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Do you recommend these as a solution to the floor standing rears getting in the way? I am on the fence between mounting something out of the way and going out out with 760s in the rear as well. Sure they will be in the way a little but they are so pretty :)
Either system will be awesome, especially for home theater. As for the rears, no, I wouldn't use towers. The rears are the least important speakers when timber matching and for HT in my opinion. However, they do need to be correctly positioned for the best results; this is key. You can't place towers above ear level (unless they are huge). It will cost less to get wall mountable rears and the results will be as good as or better than if you use towers. This is just my opinion of course.


Again, the Axiom or Rocket system would be very nice. However, don't rule out other manufacturers. Check out Paradigm, B&W, Vandersteen, Thiel, Monitor Audio, and Canton. Go out and audition all that you can. Good luck!
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Do you recommend these as a solution to the floor standing rears getting in the way? I am on the fence between mounting something out of the way and going out out with 760s in the rear as well. Sure they will be in the way a little but they are so pretty :)
Yes they are pretty :D


I am getting 760's for rears, but that is just because i am getting a great deal buying them used. The dipole speakers work much better as surround imo, because u can not tell where the sound is coming from.


As for the axiom vs rocket, i would go with the rocket rears to get the packaged deal, and the same look/finish. Also the axioms have fairly weak bass where as the rockets can go a bit lower.
Is there any way to move the surround speaker outlets up the wall? You really want your surrounds above ear level. There are lots of effects recorded in movies that are intended to sound like they originate "above" you. For example, in Master and Commander, there are several scenes where footsteps are heard running overhead, on the next deck up. It is a *very* realistic effect if your SS speakers are positioned above ear level. Also, airplanes flying overhead in movies like Top Gun are very realistic with sounds originating up high. Dolby's recommended speaker placement suggests above ear level placement for the surrounds.


Also, since this will be a 5.1 system, I would suggest dipole surrounds. They will have an enhanced surround effect. Also, it appears that several seats will be quite close to the surrounds. In this case dipoles will be harder to localize than direct radiators, (this is a good thing for surrounds). Audioholics has a good article on the subject. The added benefit of dipole surrounds mounted up high is that it gets them out of the traffic pattern. Both av123 and Axiom have dipole surrounds that match the speaker systems you are considering.


Good luck,


Craig
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I really appreciate the information, it has really put some perspective on my original layout. I believe I will go with the Rocket RSS300 Surrounds mounted on the back wall. I will have to have some rewiring done but I need to replace the pre-ran component projector cable with HDMI cable anyway. Here is an updated 3d model of the room with the 760s and RSS300s. The room measurements are all accurate. I went a little higher than ear level on the rears to get over the counter height.

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I think the RS330's are a good decision. However, I would try to get them on the side walls instead of the back wall. In your first picture, it appears you have one large and 2 small setbacks on the wall with the door. If you can get a speaker up high on the third setback wall, (next to the door), and another directly opposite it on the other wall, you will achieve the best surround effect.


Craig
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I think the RS330's are a good decision. However, I would try to get them on the side walls instead of the back wall. In your first picture, it appears you have one large and 2 small setbacks on the wall with the door. If you can get a speaker up high on the third setback wall, (next to the door), and another directly opposite it on the other wall, you will achieve the best surround effect.


Craig
Appreciate the direction, unfortunately there isn't enough space beside the door. The first step back will be where the components will go. I am currently working on plans for a built in that will go there.
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