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I wanted to buy a DVD player that is capable of outputting a

ITU-R BT 1358 signal (aka PAL progressive or 576p or 625p).

Here is the list of models that I have found so far.


Does anyone else have any other models they can add? I have

used the equals sign to denote different badging of the same

player. I hope to make this a comprehensive list. No particular

order.


Denon 2800 (requires firmware upgrade)

Camelot Roundtable

Panasonic RP-91, RP-56 (require a mod including extra memory)

BBK

Arcam FMJDV27 (with Progressive Scan Board Upgrade)

Arcam DV88 (off the shelf is NTSC only, I don't know how to enable PAL)

Matrix = Skyworth

Malata, cineUltra

Hiteker = Apex

Amoisonic 8000

EAD TheaterVision P (discontinued)

EAD Ultra (the International version)

Philips Q50 (requires a mod)

Pioneer DV-747 (mod available - just a rumour at the moment)

Nintaus PDVD-N9769

Micromega Reference DVD

Shinco progressive scan dvd player, DVD-8700PS

Lecson dvd-1000


I have left off the model numbers of models cos they

tend to get out of date quickly eg the Hiteker 810 and Apex

810 are newer versions of the 800 model. The equals sign

means that the two brands appear to be identical in appearance

from photographs. In some cases even the model numbers are

the same between brands. This does not mean that the firmware

is the same or at the same version. The Malata and cineUltra

appear to be the same but cineUltra say that the firmware is

quite different.


Personally I bought a Philips Q50. No particular reason - mainly

that it was only one of three PAL progressive scan players I

could find locally.


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You can add the RP56 to that list, it has recently been modified to output PAL progressive and region free. Mine is on its way from the USA.


I couldn't find a Skyworth anywhere - they look to be having manufacturing problems. This player along with the Denon 2800 have the chroma bug.


As far as I can see the only PAL progressive solution without the annoying chroma bug is the RP56. Hopefully the PAL progressive issue will improve next year.
 

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Don't forget the option of a normal interlaced player with a cinematrix PSM1 upgrade (de-interlacer + scaler).


I think this was originaly just applied to the Sony 7700, but is now available for a number of other players.
 

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Please forgive my ignorance but are there players that will output greater than 480p? Would these PAL players trick my Toshiba into doing an anamorhpic squeeze? I belive it requires 540p or 1080i to do this.


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UK Dude,


Where did you get your modified RP56 from? I was going to get an unmodified one and have it modded over here, but I couldn't get confirmiation from anywhere that they would be able to modify it for multi-region, let alone to output PAL and do it progressively ...


Cheers,

Damian.
 

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UK Dude,


Where did you get your modified RP56 from? I was going to get an unmodified one and have it modded over here, but I couldn't get confirmiation from anywhere that they would be able to modify it for multi-region, let alone to output PAL and do it progressively ...


Cheers,

Damian.
Damian,

Being a Yorkshireman I know you'd like to save a bob or two ;) so you may be better buying one already modified as I did from the USA. www.jvb.nl are now selling kits for the RP56.


There is somebody on this forum who sells these already modified - private message me if you're interested and I'll tell you.


I haven't received mine yet so can't confirm if it works properly. I'll post when I've fully tested it.

UKdude (Lancastrian)
 

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As far as I can see the only PAL progressive solution without the annoying chroma bug is the RP56. Hopefully the PAL progressive issue will improve next year.
according to the HT progressive dvd shootout, the malata/cinematrix

doesn't have a chroma bug. from personal use, i can confirm that

it does 576p nicely.
 

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I have added two new players to the list as reported by other

contributors.


Note that most of the players do NOT have the chroma

upsampling bug. The Camelot Roundtable does not. The

players using the Mediamatics chip don't. The BBK uses

a ZIVA chip and may not. The Panasonics don't. The Matrix

does but it is masked by the DCDi chip.
 

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You can also add the Arcam FMJDV27 and the Arcam DV88 with Progressive Scan Board Upgrade.


Neil.
 

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You can also add the Arcam FMJDV27 and the Arcam DV88 with Progressive Scan Board Upgrade.


Neil.
I've added them. Where do you get the progressive scan

upgrade board from? Are you talking PSM? If so then I'll

remove the players from the list cos the PSM can upgrade

lots of players.
 

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It can also be done on the Philips Q50.


My dealer did it for me and progressive PAL is quite fabulous since it has more lines resolution.


Looks great on the Braco Cine 6 projector which my dealer sells.:D
 

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The TVP from EAD can be had for PAL/NTSC with progressiv and doesn't have the chroma bug.

Should be comparable to the Camelot Roundtable.


Cheers



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To D-ILA boy in New Zealand.


The Arcam DV88 progressive scan upgrade is a board of Arcam's own manufacture and uses the Silicon Image SiI503 and helper uP chip. You can obtain this through the local distributor or order a DV88P in the first place, which has the board factory fitted.


HTH.


John Dawson (Arcam)
 

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It can also be done on the Philips Q50.


My dealer did it for me and progressive PAL is quite fabulous since it has more lines resolution.

That's great. Tell us more - who is your dealer. I have been

unable to find someone who can enable PAL progressive

on the Q50
 

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My Dealer is Bilcon in Singapore.


IMHO, you can ask your dealer to talk to Philips NZ for the Hack code.
 

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IMHO, you can ask your dealer to talk to Philips NZ for the Hack code.
Is it just a code entered by the remote? Tell us.


Philips NZ either don't know or aren't saying. I even got

to talk to an ex employee who knows everything but didn't know.
 

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I've added the EAD Ultra to the list of PAL progressive players

since my dealer has confirmed that the "International Version"

will do it. It's not released yet.


The EAD Ultra with the DCDi upgrade looks like the best

quality PAL progressive player around to date. It doesn't

have the chroma bug and has a better transport than the

Camelot. Pity about the price. It hasn't been priced yet but

I'd guess 4 grand or more (US).
 
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