A VX1000d is a DVI/HDMI HDCP unit. Check the model number, all DHD are DVI and will work with all formats up to 1080I analog and digital. That unit could be up to three years old, there was not 1080p back then (except 1080p SF.... at the time not realy a HT format)
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Runco DLP question
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I have a friend who has a Runco Reflections 720P DLP projector that he purchased about 4 years ago with a DHD scaler box. I posted on this a while back. He picked up a Tosh HDDVD player (A1) but the DHD only has inputs for coaxial and component (no DVI) and the folks that installed it didn't run the DVI cable from the projector to his wiring closet.
Ok here is the rundown on what he is trying to figure out. With all the HDMI/DVI issues that seem to abound (not just with the A1 but overall) he is looking at possibly replacing his Runco with maybe a Sony Pearl or Ruby so he has direct HDMI (he is going to have to run a cable regardless) since it will give him 1080p (with the Pearl) and dump the headache that is the Runco Scaler DHD box. Is there a market for his old Runco projector/DHD or is he better off to get an upgraded DHD scaler? He isn't adverse to spending the cash for the Pearl/Ruby since his old projector still has the DVI limitation but would like to maybe get a bit of a return to offset the cost but if he can pick up a updated DHD box for significantly less cash he might go that route.
What would you guys who are used to this stuff ( I am a lowly infocus owner who can't afford to play with the big dogs and he has money just no idea what he is doing) do? I am more partial to the swap to a native HDMI PJ if he can get a little money for his Runco (I can get specific model #s if you like but it is a Runco Reflections vx1000d if I am not mistaken). Any idea on what the market value on one of these is? Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance,
Trey
I have a friend who has a Runco Reflections 720P DLP projector that he purchased about 4 years ago with a DHD scaler box. I posted on this a while back. He picked up a Tosh HDDVD player (A1) but the DHD only has inputs for coaxial and component (no DVI) and the folks that installed it didn't run the DVI cable from the projector to his wiring closet.
Ok here is the rundown on what he is trying to figure out. With all the HDMI/DVI issues that seem to abound (not just with the A1 but overall) he is looking at possibly replacing his Runco with maybe a Sony Pearl or Ruby so he has direct HDMI (he is going to have to run a cable regardless) since it will give him 1080p (with the Pearl) and dump the headache that is the Runco Scaler DHD box. Is there a market for his old Runco projector/DHD or is he better off to get an upgraded DHD scaler? He isn't adverse to spending the cash for the Pearl/Ruby since his old projector still has the DVI limitation but would like to maybe get a bit of a return to offset the cost but if he can pick up a updated DHD box for significantly less cash he might go that route.
What would you guys who are used to this stuff ( I am a lowly infocus owner who can't afford to play with the big dogs and he has money just no idea what he is doing) do? I am more partial to the swap to a native HDMI PJ if he can get a little money for his Runco (I can get specific model #s if you like but it is a Runco Reflections vx1000d if I am not mistaken). Any idea on what the market value on one of these is? Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance,
Trey
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Thanks for the response. I have not checked the back of his actual projector but his DHD only has what looks like a VGA passthrough, a RJ11 jack (for the screen control is my guess) 5 BNC connections (YBMVH) and Component on the back of the actual scaler unit (which is the DHD as far as I can figure out) They are configured as such on the back
RJ-11-->5 BNC-->VGA Passthrough--> Component
These are the only connections. Now if I can run a HDMI cable to the projector and just put a HDMI->DVI converter on the actual projector and ignore the scaler that is fine just wanting to make sure I can do this (hate to have him spend the cash to accomplish this and have it not work) Does the Projector take any input without the DHD "head" unit or is the DHD required for the unit to function properly?
RJ-11-->5 BNC-->VGA Passthrough--> Component
These are the only connections. Now if I can run a HDMI cable to the projector and just put a HDMI->DVI converter on the actual projector and ignore the scaler that is fine just wanting to make sure I can do this (hate to have him spend the cash to accomplish this and have it not work) Does the Projector take any input without the DHD "head" unit or is the DHD required for the unit to function properly?
The back of the projector has the DVI connector. The RJ11 is for control of the projector from the DHD controller. An HDMI to DVI cable from the player to projector works fine. The optics and capabilities of the VX1000d are probably better than a cheaper 1080i projector with HDMI.
The DHD controller input will need to be changed to DVI in order for the signal to the projector to work. This information is in the projector manual.
The DHD controller input will need to be changed to DVI in order for the signal to the projector to work. This information is in the projector manual.
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I would seriously doubt that. The vx1000d is pretty out of date. The newer projectors, even at much much cheaper prices than this model was new will easily best in pretty much every attribute. I think the vx1000d was an HD2 unit, I don't know if they put HD2+ chips in it at some point, which Runco was doing I believe.
| The optics and capabilities of the VX1000d are probably better than a cheaper 1080i projector with HDMI. |
Seriously, you probably need to look at the calibration capabilities and the overall picture quality. Please list the aspects in which the 'cheaper' units easily best the supposedly older units.
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Contrast ratio and resolution? You can't possibly maintain that an older generation 720p single-chip HD2 machine with a 5x wheel would best a newer HD2+ machine with much greater CR, let alone a 1080p unit (DLP or LCOS) with again much greater CR. This would include newer Runcos of course as well.
I don't know what you are insinuating by calibration "capabilities" but that sounds like Runco-dealer talk.
| Originally Posted by AV Doogie Seriously, you probably need to look at the calibration capabilities and the overall picture quality. Please list the aspects in which the 'cheaper' units easily best the supposedly older units. |
Contrast ratio and resolution? You can't possibly maintain that an older generation 720p single-chip HD2 machine with a 5x wheel would best a newer HD2+ machine with much greater CR, let alone a 1080p unit (DLP or LCOS) with again much greater CR. This would include newer Runcos of course as well.
I don't know what you are insinuating by calibration "capabilities" but that sounds like Runco-dealer talk.
The VX1000 you are talking about is not a DHD unit it is a VHD unit. It is not 1080p compatible (There was not 1080p at that time and barely any 1080I for that matter)
If you run a DVI cable the VHD will switch to that input on command.
That rev VX1000 is at least a HD2 unit. While there have been improvements in projectors the last few years the VX1000 still does not suck. It was at the top of the single chip category at the time. Why step down now? Get another good single chip projector….. or even a 3 chip.
The VX1000 is fully calibrateable. There are complete controls for SD, HD and Digital.
If you run a DVI cable the VHD will switch to that input on command.
That rev VX1000 is at least a HD2 unit. While there have been improvements in projectors the last few years the VX1000 still does not suck. It was at the top of the single chip category at the time. Why step down now? Get another good single chip projector….. or even a 3 chip.
The VX1000 is fully calibrateable. There are complete controls for SD, HD and Digital.
I realize that it isn't a 1080P unit. My biggest question was wether to advise him on scrapping this system and picking up a Pearl/Ruby )and trying to sell his current unit) or stick with what he has. He is happy with the picture quality just not in his connectivity options. I appreciate the assist on letting me know it is a VHD instead of a DHD (Runco's site is a bit confusing especially with older product) and I will try to run down a manual for that one.
How does the VHD even know what is connected to the DVI on the PJ if the cable is run from the unit directly to the component or is the VHD "required"? What I am trying to get around as a whole is the scaler on the VHD unit. If I can bypass it without the hassle component hookup is fine with me (no discernable PQ difference) but since I HAVE to feed it a 480 signal so IT can upconvert it therein lies the problem
How does the VHD even know what is connected to the DVI on the PJ if the cable is run from the unit directly to the component or is the VHD "required"? What I am trying to get around as a whole is the scaler on the VHD unit. If I can bypass it without the hassle component hookup is fine with me (no discernable PQ difference) but since I HAVE to feed it a 480 signal so IT can upconvert it therein lies the problem
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I am not maintaining anything.....Your generalizations indicate that ANY newer generation projector with higher CR or pixel count is better than last generations projectors. It simply is not true and there are excellent examples of older gen units which kicka$$.
You should know that judging equipment by specs alone is a losing battle
THis is off topic and does not help the OP
| Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles Contrast ratio and resolution? You can't possibly maintain that an older generation 720p single-chip HD2 machine with a 5x wheel would best a newer HD2+ machine with much greater CR, let alone a 1080p unit (DLP or LCOS) with again much greater CR. This would include newer Runcos of course as well. I don't know what you are insinuating by calibration "capabilities" but that sounds like Runco-dealer talk. |
I am not maintaining anything.....Your generalizations indicate that ANY newer generation projector with higher CR or pixel count is better than last generations projectors. It simply is not true and there are excellent examples of older gen units which kicka$$.
You should know that judging equipment by specs alone is a losing battle
THis is off topic and does not help the OP
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Well sure, but things have been moving pretty fast these last few years, and there are many displays out that are worlds better than the best displays just a year or two ago, and cheaper too.
| there are excellent examples of older gen units which kicka$$. |
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You simply install a cable from the source (HD DVD player) to the Projector. A HDMI to DVI cable will work fine. The Controller input selection will need to be set to DVI and then the projector will recognize the HDMI/DVI source on the DVI port. The Controller is bypassed in this configuration but the projector will accept 720P and 1080i input from the player over the HDMI/DVI cable.
| Originally Posted by tormond How does the VHD even know what is connected to the DVI on the PJ if the cable is run from the unit directly to the component or is the VHD "required"? What I am trying to get around as a whole is the scaler on the VHD unit. If I can bypass it without the hassle component hookup is fine with me (no discernable PQ difference) but since I HAVE to feed it a 480 signal so IT can upconvert it therein lies the problem |
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Good deal. If that is the case then I will be headed to Monoprice shortly for a solution it seems. Any idea on whether or not I need a single or dual link DVI connection? Going to run a HDMI cable and just put a converter on the PJ.
| Originally Posted by AV Doogie You simply install a cable from the source (HD DVD player) to the Projector. A HDMI to DVI cable will work fine. The Controller input selection will need to be set to DVI and then the projector will recognize the HDMI/DVI source on the DVI port. The Controller is bypassed in this configuration but the projector will accept 720P and 1080i input from the player over the HDMI/DVI cable. |
Good deal. If that is the case then I will be headed to Monoprice shortly for a solution it seems. Any idea on whether or not I need a single or dual link DVI connection? Going to run a HDMI cable and just put a converter on the PJ.
I believe the projector will take a single or dual link cable connection. I think going from HDMI to DVI, you will only have the choice of single link anyhow. Someone correct me if I am wrong?
I have used my HD-XA1 set to 1080i output to feed my VX1000Ci unit and it looks excellent.
Happy hunting.
I have used my HD-XA1 set to 1080i output to feed my VX1000Ci unit and it looks excellent.
Happy hunting.
My biggest concern was that the single vs dual link connectors are actually different (the top and botom connectors on the side) so needed to make sure the converter I purchased would actually fit on the PJ. Oh well with monoprices pricing I will just buy one of each. $5 is not that big of a deal.
There will not be much room to put a stacked gender plug into the back of the projector, In fact I'll bet that a HDMI to DVI converter plugged into the back of the projector will not fit. I would either use the plug (HDMI-DVI) at the player and choose a DVI-DVI cable or just get the HDMI to DVI cable.
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