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I can get a great deal on the 1900 and the 3800 (both used) then I found a RX-V2065 B stock new for just a little more money. The 2065 is 10 pounds lighter with about the same specs ?? Don't care about going online with them or other room needs. I am into Bluray HD, FIOS HD TV and just music CD, R2R and TT. I have my Pop's old Cornwall Klipsch speakers for front L&R and Klipsch Reference Series center and surrounds and 2 Klipsch Sub 12" 300/650 watts each. In a small 14X16 den.
I miss my Onkyo HD TX-SR805, it has burnt something Again.



Please I know about all the other Brands and just need some Yamaha AVR owners to post up.Please.

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1900 and 3800 probably have comparable power. The 3800 may have more features (networking, which I think the 1900 lacks,) with the 1900 having some newer features.


The 2065 is the newest, but likely has a weaker power supply.


I personally like the amber display and the flexibility of the RX-V3800 (I had the 2700, 3900 and now own the Z7.)


The 2065 is a bit more stripped down, in some ways. Not sure about how video processing compares between the 3800 and 2065.


Too bad you can't find a deal on the 3900 or Z7. Very nice units.
 

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1900= RMS Power (8 ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) [THD] 130W x 7 [0.04%]

2065= RMS Power (8 ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) [THD] 130W x 7 [0.08%]


Note that small but important difference Yamaha hoped you would miss. The 1900 and 3800 models are heavier cos they have more powerful amps in them. Doubling the allowable THD when measuring power means the power measurements are not directly comparable even tho they both say 130w. I have a 1900 cos they were a great bargain and I don't need the networking features of the step-up model 3 series models. All great amps tho!
 

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My neighbor has the 2065 and he runs (HDMI) audio and video thru the 2065 then to his 55" LCD(and his Klipsch speakers)...Great picture and sound, as good as mine as we have the same TV.( guess my Sony Bluray player is a good one) I HDMI straight from Bluray to TV and optical cable from Bluray to a 2400 7.1 (2003 model 120x7, years of use)
l) that still works great for 5.1 audio (good seperation)but no HD decoders and no HDMI or I would not spend the money. I did not notice the 130w and the .08 and .04 Great point I missed that. ummmm but I have Klipsch speakers, they don't need a lot of power to hurt wife's ears on movies
The 1900 is a local guy(moving to apartment from house) that will bring it over and hook it up before I pay him. It has one year of Best Buys extended waranty on it. The 2065 is a new B stock on Feabay with a 1 year warranty and they have 10 in sock for about $100.00 more....... still undecided. 3800 has more power and lowest price but only a week to return for refund(Feabay) ummm really don't need it(extra power) for my small room.. lucky there. This is giving me a head ache.


I miss my HD audio on TV.
 

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1900 and 3800 probably have comparable power. The 3800 may have more features (networking, which I think the 1900 lacks,) with the 1900 having some newer features.


The 2065 is the newest, but likely has a weaker power supply.


I personally like the amber display and the flexibility of the RX-V3800 (I had the 2700, 3900 and now own the Z7.)


The 2065 is a bit more stripped down, in some ways. Not sure about how video processing compares between the 3800 and 2065.


Too bad you can't find a deal on the 3900 or Z7. Very nice units.

I looked for a 3900 or Z7...way out of my budget right now. I purchased a 1900(local) that has 18 months of warranty from Best Buy.
Works Great, still fine tuning the speakers etc. I have run HDMI thru the 1900 for A/V and I have not figured out how to make the 1900 pass thru the audio from my FIOS box when the 1900 is turned off so the kids can watch the flatt screen and use the TV speakers???
 

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I have run HDMI thru the 1900 for A/V and I have not figured out how to make the 1900 pass thru the audio from my FIOS box when the 1900 is turned off so the kids can watch the flatt screen and use the TV speakers???

Does the 1900 receiver have stand by pass thru? I though only the newer Yamaha units added that feature.
 

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1900= RMS Power (8 ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) [THD] 130W x 7 [0.04%]

2065= RMS Power (8 ohms, 20Hz-20kHz) [THD] 130W x 7 [0.08%]


Note that small but important difference Yamaha hoped you would miss. The 1900 and 3800 models are heavier cos they have more powerful amps in them. Doubling the allowable THD when measuring power means the power measurements are not directly comparable even tho they both say 130w. I have a 1900 cos they were a great bargain and I don't need the networking features of the step-up model 3 series models. All great amps tho!

I would ignore the manufacturer stated power. That THD does not mean much. You don't know how it was measured. Yamaha messes around with their power specs a bit for marketing reasons.


I base my assumptions, that the 2065 is weaker, on weight and power consumption specs, which are also not 100% reliabled. My gut instinct, though, is that the 2065 has less power (but in the real world, maybe not important.)
 

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The difference in weight was the first thing I noticed when the 2065 came out and that was when I went to look at the power specs issued by Yamaha. The increase in THD supports your theory that the 2065 isn't as strong so not quite sure what you're trying to say. Obviously manufacturer's power specs are not to be trusted but from a marketing point of view, if Yamaha could claim that the newer units were making the same power at the same THD - they would have.
 

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Let me clarify.


THD is not fixed, nor is rated power. You can measure the point of lowest THD. In this case power will be lower than rated power. Maybe 1/2, not sure.


As you increase power from that point, you will get increasing THD. So the exact THD is dependent on the exact rated power.


Yamaha may play games sometimes for marketing reasons. For example, they have been known to rate two different receivers with different power ratings, even though they seem very likely to have the same power supply.
 

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Absolutely agree. THD and power are rated against each other on a curve and so the higher THD you measure power at, the higher wattage you can claim (ignoring the fact that all manufacturers do make bogus claims or measure power creatively). I was just pointing out one more of those marketing "games" Yamaha has played to maintain favourable specs on the face of it.
 

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Does the 1900 receiver have stand by pass thru? I though only the newer Yamaha units added that feature.

Hope someone has a 1900 and has figured this out. I need to read the owners book more this week when kids are gone. My 2003 RX-V2400 AVR 7.1 120X7 would pass thu. But it was pointed out to me it way the way I had it wired. No HDMI from Bluray or FIOS to 2400. Sent video from Bluray to TV HDMI and Fiber Optic from Bluray to 2400. It does DTS 5.1 Great but HD audio was lacking on Bluray movies. I run HDMI from Bluray and FIOS to the 1900 HDMI so the 1900 processes the AV. SUPER happy with the HD 1900 so far.
 

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TVs may not send everything you need over optical. Sound like that's your problem. Not a 1900 issue. You have to hook devices to the 1900 first.


As for whether the 1900 has an HDMI passthrough mode, when it's in standbye, I don't know. My Z7 does, and it's the same family (1900/3900/Z7.) For example, I can set it so that my Tivo passes through my Z7 to the TV when it's in standbye.
 

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I would ignore the manufacturer stated power. That THD does not mean much. You don't know how it was measured. Yamaha messes around with their power specs a bit for marketing reasons.


I base my assumptions, that the 2065 is weaker, on weight and power consumption specs, which are also not 100% reliabled. My gut instinct, though, is that the 2065 has less power (but in the real world, maybe not important.)

I have had the Onkyo HD 7.1 AVR TX-SR805 and a Yamaha RX-V2400 on my Klipsch 5.2 HT speaker system and now the RX-V1900, the amps have about the same reserve power as the 805 on Bluray movies. I always have to go deeper in the amps then when playing CD's. I would say the 1900 is the 805's equal. Hope it lasts longer then my 805 with less trounble like the 2003 2400 Yamaha, it has had Zero problems from many years of use. My friends 2065 amps are clear at high listening levels (he has Klipsch speakers too) but his does have Pass Thru, hooked up like mine useing the Yamaha's processors to A&V.
 

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Near as I can tell, the 1900 is a well designed piece of equipment. Give it proper ventilation, it may last a long time.


I wonder if modern receivers may not last quite as long as the older receivers, with the change in solder required by law, though?

http://www.stereophile.com/content/r...-insiders-view
 

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TVs may not send everything you need over optical. Sound like that's your problem. Not a 1900 issue. You have to hook devices to the 1900 first.


As for whether the 1900 has an HDMI passthrough mode, when it's in standbye, I don't know. My Z7 does, and it's the same family (1900/3900/Z7.) For example, I can set it so that my Tivo passes through my Z7 to the TV when it's in standbye.

I do have HDMI from FIOS and Bluray( Bitstreaming Audiophile) straight to the 1900, then to flatt screen HDMI. The 1900 processors are decoding all A/V.


I had fiber optic and digital cable when I had the 2400 in use...pass thru worked. On the 805, HDMI like my 1900 and it would pass thru.



EDIT: Another 1900 owner posted on the 1900/3900 thread that the 1900 Does Not have HDMI "Pass Thru"


Thanks for the Advise. Great Forum.
 
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