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Someone posted in another thread that they bought a store floor model/demo Replay 4XXX unit. Because it was a demo it was fully functional, which means someone (most likely the store) paid to activate it. Thus, when the person brought it home it was already activated--saving the cost of a monthly or lifetime service fee (at least $250).


Now I know that DirectTV provides corporate demo cards for in-store use only, allowing those units to get all the services (except PPV and p0rn) for showing customers the hundreds of channels you can get. I don't think SB makes corporate Replay demo units available, which means any store that demos a Replay must have paid the activation fee at some point.


So if we all go around convincing stores to sell us the floor model (at a slightly discounted price, natch, since it's *used* for God's sake), we can get a pass on the activation fee. Is that stealing or just saavy consumer shopping? I'd say the latter since *someone* paid the activation fee. It just wasn't us.
 

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It is not theft. Since SB ties the lifetime fee to the unit, they shouldn't be able to restrict it.


As for a demo mode, in the paper work I recieved with my 4532, it did have a page about a demo mode a store could activate. I'm not sure what features would be activated in demo mode.
 

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If it was activated by the store, then when the unit was purchased, the activation was bought at the same time.


Just my lousy $0.02 worth....
 

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Of course, if the store paid, it should have paid monthly. It's not like they planned on keeping the unit on display for 2+ years.


I see nothing wrong with using the unit. If it asks you to subscribe, you can do it then.


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"The activation is tied to the unit", I'm with Reden
 

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No They bought a used unit. If you look on Ebay you will find 4500 and 5000 series units with lifetime subs for sale. THe store is no different. They sold a unit with a life time sub. .02 cents


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Precisely. If they didn't charge enough for it, that's their own problem.
 

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Originally posted by pianoman41
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Someone posted in another thread that they bought a store floor model/demo Replay 4XXX unit.
Has anyone thought that this "4xxx" might be a 4040 or 4080 or 4160 or 4320? Which, by the way, came from the factory with a lifetime subscription, hence, no foul - just a great deal.
 

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Originally posted by pianoman41


Has anyone thought that this "4xxx" might be a 4040 or 4080 or 4160 or 4320? Which, by the way, came from the factory with a lifetime subscription, hence, no foul - just a great deal.
Here is the post (I believe) the original thread was based:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...21#post2120821


Of course, maybe he just thought it was a 4504 and it really was a 4040. I don't think the 4040s were ever available in stores.


While on the subject, he is not a theif. The post clearly stated that he called in to activate the unit and found that it was already activated. What is he going to do, give SB an extra $250. I believe most (if not all) people would say something like "cool, thanks" and put that money back in their pocket.
 

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If you buy a store model CD player and then when you get home you find a CD in the drive, would you say that you stole it and go running back to the store to return it?
 

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If you buy a store model CD player and then when you get home you find a CD in the drive, would you say that you stole it and go running back to the store to return it?
No, but most people would go back and ask them if they had the jewel case for it....
 

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Actually, the unit is not activated. It is set to Demo mode by SB for the stores to show off. If for any reason that unit has to be reset to Factory Defaults, it will no longer be in Demo mode and it will have to be activated. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.
 

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We bought a display 4504 and it was in demo mode. We definitely had to pay activation. I figure his was either a return that didn't get activation removed, or a 4xxx.
 

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The store didn't pay for activation. Units canNOT be demo'd, they are provided with special demo units. Read the box on a new unit and you'll see a big notice to stores NOT to demo these units. This was likely a return that they hooked up to demo for sale.
 

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Morality.. Did you get something that you were not entitled to receive? Does it matter who made the error that you are receiving something that you know that you should be paying for?


If I receive a pirated copy of a DVD that a friend rips, is it okay for me to have it even though I didn't "do anything" but receive what I shouldn't have gotten in the first place?
 

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Consumer units can be demo'ed. In my 4532 I got from SB, it had clear instructions on how to enable demo mode.


As for the morality issue, I always looked at this away. It's not my responsibility to hand-hold companies. If a unit is in demo mode, it should not be the consumer's job to jump through hoops just to take the thing out of demo mode. It's a similar situation to moving into an apartment that still has the cable hooked up because the cable company forgot to send someone out when the previous tenant cancelled his service. It should not be considered stealing service, when I plug a TV into the wall and I get channels.


Ofcourse, the cable companies will look at this a different way, so this is just my opinion and has no legal basis. IMO though, even if it is illegal to run the SB unit in demo mode, you are not going to get caught so keep using it. The worst that could happen is SB figures out the unit is being used in demo mode by an individual and they will de-activate the unit, which should have been their responsibility in the first place.
 

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My point was worded poorly - a store activating demo mode doesn't amount to them spending $250 and activating it. Someone ELSE activated it.
 

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Originally posted by kcobra
IMO though, even if it is illegal to run the SB unit in demo mode, you are not going to get caught so keep using it. The worst that could happen is SB figures out the unit is being used in demo mode by an individual and they will de-activate the unit, which should have been their responsibility in the first place.
Demo mode (at least on our 4504) was nothing but a crippled menu of short clips and a fake channel guide. It's just a way to demo features of the Replay without having to hook it up to cable/phone, etc.
 

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Demo mode (at least on our 4504) was nothing but a crippled menu of short clips and a fake channel guide. It's just a way to demo features of the Replay without having to hook it up to cable/phone, etc.
Yep, I got an Open box Demo unit from CC. When I got it home....it has a 'fake guide' and a few clips. Nothing real. I had to hit the internet and find out how to take it out of demo mode....when I did that....it looked liked it 'reformmated' from an image (that's what it seemed like it was doing)


After all the clicking and griding (about 5 minutes) it was a fresh 4504 with the right amount of hours and needed service activation in 10 days.


Jimmy
 
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