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SACD through Analog Interconnects

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As I read the reviews (i.e. Pioneer DV-AX10) on some of these players...due to copy protection details needed to be ironed out most of these players are being released with only analog audio outputs for SACD and or DVD-Audio. Is that right? Or are there players out with digital outputs for SACD?


Can one asume that the sound would be significantly improved from SACD with digital audio outputs as opposed to SACD with analog outputs?


Finally, are we talking weeks, months, or years...before we see SACD & DVD-Audio with digital audio outputs being released?


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Both formats are analog output only in their current guise.

As two channel, this is not enherently bad as a high quality two channel analog preamp is not too tough to come by. Multi-channel is a bit stickier.

Inherently, there is actually some advantage to having the D/A converison in the player. Unless you have a scheme where the DAC's and the transport are in sync, you have an opportunity to have jitter creap onto the signal (check out http://www.tagmclarenaudio.com/dev/white/wp11.asp for an explanation).


When you get into multiple sources with multi-channel (DVD, DVD-Audio, SACD, HDTV) clearly it becomes crazy to have 6 or 8 analog outputs from each source. So a digital interface is highly desirable.

When?

Sometime after we decide on our new president...

Perhaps, just maybe, before the next election.


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Buzz,


If I am understanding you right...acoustically speaking there is no advantage between SACD analog output two channel and SACD digital output two channel...am I stating it correctly? The digital outputs main usage is not sound quality, but easier multi-channel capabilities?


Next question...isn't DVD-Audio multi- channel...so a combi-player like the Pioneer DV-AX10...which has only analog outputs...means it will only play DVD-Audio in two channel format?


Michael
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Buzz,


If I am understanding you right...acoustically speaking there is no advantage between SACD analog output two channel and SACD digital output two channel...am I stating it correctly? The digital outputs main usage is not sound quality, but easier multi-channel capabilities?


Next question...isn't DVD-Audio multi- channel...so a combi-player like the Pioneer DV-AX10...which has only analog outputs...means it will only play DVD-Audio in two channel format?


Michael
Correct, there is not much advantage of a two boz system (transport and D/A conversion) from an electronic standpoint. It's when you get into multiple sources and you'd like the system to be usable, freindly and mildly consistent between the different formats that it gets hairy.

Deja Vu. There used to be a dozen different plaback equalizations for records (those black petrochemical based things with wiggles that we extracted sound from by dragging a hard little appendage through the wiggles) and your preamp had to be set up for each one correctly.


On the last question, no, the DVD-Audio players have 6 analog outputs. DVD-Audio was always conceived of as a >2 channel medium.


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Buzz,


Thanks for the help. In going back to the rear photo of the Pioneer DV-AX10...your right it does have six analog outputs for DVD-Audio...which I assume will be also used for future multi-channel SACD.


So buying this unit with six channel analog output for DVD-Audio and SACD...also means an upgrade in the pre-amp?


Thanks for your patience...so I can get this right.


Michael
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So an upgrade to a SACD player will not need include a pre-amp upgrade for two channel SACD...But to upgrade to DVD-Audio or future multi-channel SACD requires a pre-amp upgrade, so as to be able to input six channel analog audio connections from the DVD-Audio player to the pre-amp...which brings us back to where we started...digital audio inputs would make things a whole lot easier!


Michael
You could see if MSB will do their 5.1 channel upgrade for it. Try www.msbtech.com.



Steve
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You could see if MSB will do their 5.1 channel upgrade for it. Try www.msbtech.com.



Steve


Quite so. And their website hasn't even caught up to that application yet.

I guess the number of available DVD-Audio discs hasn't collapsed their incoming freight dock yet!

Seriously, it would get very interesting to start comparing the DVD-Audio setups with a high end DTS music disc setup. Given that pretty much all the DVD players and companion 6 channel preamp/processors are from more mid-fi companies, and that the DTS discs can sound quite good, I wonder if the quality of the medium can overcome the lower quality in the playback chain.

Oh no, more DTS comparisons!

OK, forget I said it!



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Buzz,


Thanks for the help. In going back to the rear photo of the Pioneer DV-AX10...your right it does have six analog outputs for DVD-Audio...which I assume will be also used for future multi-channel SACD.


So buying this unit with six channel analog output for DVD-Audio and SACD...also means an upgrade in the pre-amp?

Thanks for your patience...so I can get this right.


Michael
I guess you could say that. I don't know what you have for a preamp now, but for alot of audiophiles, given what is offered in the way of 6 channel devices today, I'm afradi I can't call it an upgrade http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif



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Buzz,


I have the Sunfire Theater Grand...my DVD audio inputs are digital and two channel analog. So how would I connect the five channel analog audio signal of DVD-Audio to this pre-amp?


Michael
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Buzz,


I have the Sunfire Theater Grand...my DVD audio inputs are digital and two channel analog. So how would I connect the five channel analog audio signal of DVD-Audio to this pre-amp?


Michael
With duct tape.

You can't get five channels of audio into it.




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MSB has yet to answer my inquiry...but the reviewer of the Pioneer DV-AX10 says he used a Sunfire Theater Grand II pre-amp using a DB25 to Six Audio Analog cable. This would solve some DVD-Audio to Pre-Amp connection problems...I think.


Michael
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