[studmuff]

Anyone know when this player is schedules to hit the streets?

 

[ricbayer]

studmuff


Welcome to AVSforum. Release date is allegedly June.


Here is a link to a news report:
http://www.hometheatermag.com/shownews.cgi?264


Here is a link to an AVSforum discussion that includes a Consumer Electronics Show news release and much discussion:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&highlight=DVI


Rick

 

[studmuff]

Thanks.


Can't wait till it comes out!

 

[ConceptVBS]

It looks like a striped version of the DVD-HD1000 from the same manufacturer.

 

[Segaboy]

Concept,


I would not say that the DVD-HD931 is a stripped version of the DVD-HD1000 at any level. The build quality is incomparible. My DVD-HD1000 weighs almost 40-lbs. The 931 is roughly one-quarter of that.


They really are two completely different machines. When BMW introduced the M3-CSL Lightweight edition, that was a 'stripped' version of the M3. This was due to the fact that they removed the A/C, the stereo, the dash was made of Carbon-fiber, etc. etc. After shaving hundreds of pounds they had achieved their goal of a 'stripped' M3.


If you have the opportunity to use a DVD-HD1000, I believe you will have a better understanding of what I mean. I am NOT trying to slam you, but these two machines are of truly different calibers.

 

[DooDoo]

SegaBoy you are right about the build quality but there is a good chance that the 931 will produce better results due to the fact that it will be passing the signal through an all-digital connection (DVI) and therefor avoiding artifacts induced by D/A conversion.

 

[NKUEHN]

Can anyone explain to me why the DVI out is so important?


In my opinion, it will only be important when the manufacturers of the products displaying the image will allow some calibration / fine tuning to the picture which you can't do now (in DVI mode), as far as I know.


I say this because I had my Sharp Z10K calibrated on the component and DVI side and the component side looks better because you can adjust all the parameters.


I admit that out of the box, the DVI looked better and so if there is no calibration, the DVI would be the way to go.


Nic

 

[BradJudy]

Quote:

Originally posted by DooDoo SegaBoy you are right about the build quality but there is a good chance that the 931 will produce better results due to the fact that it will be passing the signal through an all-digital connection (DVI) and therefor avoiding artifacts induced by D/A conversion.

Of course if you're using a direct view TV then you just moved the DAC from the DVD player to the TV set. Now if you're using a digital display of some sort, then you've circomvented DAC issues.

 

[MaxC]

Quote:

Originally posted by Segaboy Concept, I would not say that the DVD-HD931 is a stripped version of the DVD-HD1000 at any level. The build quality is incomparible. My DVD-HD1000 weighs almost 40-lbs. The 931 is roughly one-quarter of that. If you have the opportunity to use a DVD-HD1000, I believe you will have a better understanding of what I mean. I am NOT trying to slam you, but these two machines are of truly different calibers.

So what is included in the extra weight?


Both use the same all-important Sage FL2300 chipset, have DCDi, and DVD-A correct? Does one allow you to turn off the video section for DVD-A play back? I have seen heavier more expensive models get beat down by players like the RP-82.

 

[ve4can]

Quote:

Originally posted by MaxC So what is included in the extra weight? Both use the same all-important Sage FL2300 chipset, have DCDi, and DVD-A correct? Does one allow you to turn off the video section for DVD-A play back? I have seen heavier more expensive models get beat down by players like the RP-82.

I think I have this correct.

The HD-1000 uses the FL12300 chip for it's analogue video component outputs..and with the firmware upgrade it will upscale the DVD disk content to 1080i regardless of DVD copy control on the disc.


The HD-931 however uses the FL12301 chipset which is the digital version of the FL12300 and that is for it's digital DVI output.

That output is copy control protected "in the chip".

If you play the right/wrong disc you only get 480.

That chipset is going to dam hard to hack.

Not mention the hack that will also be needed for the TV.

We're screwed.


I agree with SegaBoy the HD-1000 is a wonderful machine....built like a tank.
My next player

 

[Huey]

Yep you need HDCP compliant display device with DVI input to get around this horrid copy protection scheme (or play nonprotected DVDs--rare). The Bravo D1 for $200 is now shipping and is pretty much the same thing minus the FLI2301 of course.

 

[Jw_Wood]

In order to obtain the advantages of upscaling in the 931, do you have to use the DVI connector?

 

[ve4can]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jw_Wood In order to obtain the advantages upscaling in the 931, do you have to use the DVI connector?

Yep!! DVI only for upscaling....and a non copy controlled DVD disc!!!!!

It's component video outputs only has 480 output all the time.

We're screwed


Fun ehh!

 

[mnilan]

ve4can:

My interpretation of what the Bravo D1 and the Samsung DVD H931 can do is different than yours. If you hook up either of these boxes through DVI to a monitor with DVI that is HDCP-equipped (they do not all have the copy protection), then you will be able to scale and play even copy protected DVDs in 720p or 1080i. The only time the playback is limited is when you are NOT outputing to an HDCP-equipped DVI or when you are outputting through component. For those of us who have fixed pixel displays with HDCP DVI inputs, this means we can play back any DVD entirely in the digital domain scaled to our particular HD "flavor." I have a 1280 X 720 DLP with an HDCP-equipped DVI input and I am definitely going to try one or both of these players outputing my TV's native 720p

 

[johnovox]

That's great for those with DVI w/HDCP inputs, but the above post is correct - for the vast majority of us hdtv owners, we are screwed.

 

[Jw_Wood]

I read somewhere their might be "some type of box" that will connect between the DVD player and our non-HDCP DVI displays. This box will contain the HDCP encryption codes that will allow our displays to work. Has anyone else heard of this? And what is the proper name of this box?


~ Jay

 

[amillians]

Quote:

Originally posted by Jw_Wood I read somewhere their might be "some type of box" that will connect between the DVD player and our non-HDCP DVI displays. This box will contain the HDCP encryption codes that will allow our displays to work. Has anyone else heard of this? And what is the proper name of this box?

I think they're going to call it "5-10 with Time Off for Good Behavior Box." Such a device is illegal to design or manufacture under the DMCA as now written--it's verboten to crack a digital copy protection scheme, and the specific fair use cases are fuzzy. Time will tell.

 

[studmuff]

Got an email from samsung support.


They said as of right now the HD931 will be ready late May, early June.

 

[Patrick TX]

YES!

 

[ve4can]

Quote:

Originally posted by mnilan ve4can: My interpretation of what the Bravo D1 and the Samsung DVD H931 can do is different than yours. If you hook up either of these boxes through DVI to a monitor with DVI that is HDCP-equipped (they do not all have the copy protection), then you will be able to scale and play even copy protected DVDs in 720p or 1080i.

Boy I sure hope your right on this one .....I was following a thread on another forum about 1 month ago.....and they were suggesting that if the disc was copy protected...all you could get was 480.

Yippy!! maybe we aren't as screwed as I thought.


Quote:

For those of us who have fixed pixel displays with HDCP DVI inputs, this means we can play back any DVD entirely in the digital domain scaled to our particular HD "flavor." I have a 1280 X 720 DLP with an HDCP-equipped DVI input and I am definitely going to try one or both of these players outputting my TV's native 720p

Thanks for the heads up on this....I'm in the market for a new monitor.

I will make dam sure it has the same capability...fixed pixel, HDCP DVI.

THANKS FOR INFO

Let us know how the player works when you get to try it.