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I don't know!!!!??????!??!?
Try turning AMP off.
Try turning AMP off.
It's the crappy AMP the LCDs need to have smooth motion. You can tame it, but you need it due to LCD's nature.
Disable anti-judder (low-level MCFI).
Low-level MCFI is a gimmick, and has been since 2002.
High-level MCFI what needed to reduce hold time
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Originally Posted by zack8322 /forum/post/16895767
It's the crappy AMP the LCDs need to have smooth motion. You can tame it, but you need it due to LCD's nature.
Low-level MCFI is a gimmick, and has been since 2002.
High-level MCFI what needed to reduce hold time
I'm curious is High-level MCFI only available in newer displays with anti judder settings separate or is it available on older LCDs like the Samsung A series? I guess what I'm really wondering is if it's possible to manipulate settings in the SM to achieve the same settings on a B LCD with the newer more customizable settings.
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Originally Posted by Nielo TM /forum/post/16895936
Low-level MCFI is a gimmick, and has been since 2002.
High-level MCFI what needed to reduce hold time
I'm curious is High-level MCFI only available in newer displays with anti judder settings separate or is it available on older LCDs like the Samsung A series? I guess what I'm really wondering is if it's possible to manipulate settings in the SM to achieve the same settings on a B LCD with the newer more customizable settings.
No, sorry
In the UK, all the A series had the low and high-level MCFI unified under a single option. So the user would have to manually enable it during high-motion contents.
But that's all changed in the B series (kudos to Samsung). Now the user has control over Blur Reduction (high-level MCFI) and Judder reduction (low-level MCFI).
In the UK, all the A series had the low and high-level MCFI unified under a single option. So the user would have to manually enable it during high-motion contents.
But that's all changed in the B series (kudos to Samsung). Now the user has control over Blur Reduction (high-level MCFI) and Judder reduction (low-level MCFI).
Yes. I noticed it. The picture looks great but it doesn't look real. To me, It's not that it's too clear. I think it makes everything look overly vibrant. Samsung plasma's have the same issues. Though not as severe as their LED LCDs.
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Originally Posted by jimfitz /forum/post/16895451
Was looking into purchasing a Samsung LED TV and saw it hooked up via BluRay and thought it looked fake or to good. Anyone ever notice this???? Is there such a thing as too clear!!!?????
Yes. I noticed it. The picture looks great but it doesn't look real. To me, It's not that it's too clear. I think it makes everything look overly vibrant. Samsung plasma's have the same issues. Though not as severe as their LED LCDs.
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The latest Samsung LCDs are brighter and have more saturated colors than do any plasmas. That plus the semi-gloss screen finish is what makes these products usable in a very brightly lit room. The appearance in a brightly lit showroom is what makes LCDs more popular with purchasers than plasmas.
As for frame interpolation, it really doesn't matter if you like it or not. The feature is available on many brands of LCDs and on Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas. But even way back in 2007 when I bought my 120Hz set, the options for setting AMP (the Samsung version of frame interpolation) were High/Medium/Low/Off. Newer sets have even more settings, but "Off" is always an option.
It's perfectly OK to prefer LCD or Plasma technology in most viewing environments. But is a B&M store with those merciless high intensity overhead lights, plasma just doesn't look good in comparison to LCD.
But you are right about one thing - LCD sets with frame interpolation can actually look clearer than the original source video. The modern MCFI chipsets use advanced algorithyms that can replace blurred trailing edges of fast-moving objects with the same (clear) area of an adjacent frame. The effect is most effective when you have a clear video source at 1080p24, such as a Blu-Ray. After MFCI processing the 1080p120 or 1080p240 display can have less blur than the original camera film. That does take some getting used to, and if misadjusted MCFI can add artifacts to moving objects. The idea is to have the MCFI setting just below the artifact threshold - but where exactly that setting should be depends upon the original photography, including film speed and exposure settings. The correct setting for one movie might be too high or too low for the next.
Traditionalists may not like it but my personal tastes include bright saturated colors and minimal blur, I don't think I'll ever go back to (or even admire) any display that lacks effective MCFI processing.
As for frame interpolation, it really doesn't matter if you like it or not. The feature is available on many brands of LCDs and on Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas. But even way back in 2007 when I bought my 120Hz set, the options for setting AMP (the Samsung version of frame interpolation) were High/Medium/Low/Off. Newer sets have even more settings, but "Off" is always an option.
It's perfectly OK to prefer LCD or Plasma technology in most viewing environments. But is a B&M store with those merciless high intensity overhead lights, plasma just doesn't look good in comparison to LCD.
But you are right about one thing - LCD sets with frame interpolation can actually look clearer than the original source video. The modern MCFI chipsets use advanced algorithyms that can replace blurred trailing edges of fast-moving objects with the same (clear) area of an adjacent frame. The effect is most effective when you have a clear video source at 1080p24, such as a Blu-Ray. After MFCI processing the 1080p120 or 1080p240 display can have less blur than the original camera film. That does take some getting used to, and if misadjusted MCFI can add artifacts to moving objects. The idea is to have the MCFI setting just below the artifact threshold - but where exactly that setting should be depends upon the original photography, including film speed and exposure settings. The correct setting for one movie might be too high or too low for the next.
Traditionalists may not like it but my personal tastes include bright saturated colors and minimal blur, I don't think I'll ever go back to (or even admire) any display that lacks effective MCFI processing.
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Why buy a super monitor to watch poor looking content?
Personally, I don't care if the director of a film intended it to look bad, was drunk during the post production, or just didn't care about the appearance of his/her work. I want pq that enables me to engage with the storyline and not be distracted by poor looking video.
Why buy a super monitor to watch poor looking content?
Personally, I don't care if the director of a film intended it to look bad, was drunk during the post production, or just didn't care about the appearance of his/her work. I want pq that enables me to engage with the storyline and not be distracted by poor looking video.
It's not possible to create an highly effective low-level MCFI due to the lack of information and varying contents.
Personally, I haven't any major improvements over the 2004 version.
It's the opposite for high-level MCFI because there's double the frame rate to work with. However, the quality depends on the buffer rate, which can lead to prolonged lag.
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy /forum/post/16902264
The latest Samsung LCDs are brighter and have more saturated colors than do any plasmas. That plus the semi-gloss screen finish is what makes these products usable in a very brightly lit room. The appearance in a brightly lit showroom is what makes LCDs more popular with purchasers than plasmas.
As for frame interpolation, it really doesn't matter if you like it or not. The feature is available on many brands of LCDs and on Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas. But even way back in 2007 when I bought my 120Hz set, the options for setting AMP (the Samsung version of frame interpolation) were High/Medium/Low/Off. Newer sets have even more settings, but "Off" is always an option.
It's perfectly OK to prefer LCD or Plasma technology in most viewing environments. But is a B&M store with those merciless high intensity overhead lights, plasma just doesn't look good in comparison to LCD.
But you are right about one thing - LCD sets with frame interpolation can actually look clearer than the original source video. The modern MCFI chipsets use advanced algorithyms that can replace blurred trailing edges of fast-moving objects with the same (clear) area of an adjacent frame. The effect is most effective when you have a clear video source at 1080p24, such as a Blu-Ray. After MFCI processing the 1080p120 or 1080p240 display can have less blur than the original camera film. That does take some getting used to, and if misadjusted MCFI can add artifacts to moving objects. The idea is to have the MCFI setting just below the artifact threshold - but where exactly that setting should be depends upon the original photography, including film speed and exposure settings. The correct setting for one movie might be too high or too low for the next.
Traditionalists may not like it but my personal tastes include bright saturated colors and minimal blur, I don't think I'll ever go back to (or even admire) any display that lacks effective MCFI processing.
It's not possible to create an highly effective low-level MCFI due to the lack of information and varying contents.
Personally, I haven't any major improvements over the 2004 version.
It's the opposite for high-level MCFI because there's double the frame rate to work with. However, the quality depends on the buffer rate, which can lead to prolonged lag.
Are you referring to the MCFI or the panel itself?
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Originally Posted by aydu /forum/post/16902416
+1
Why buy a super monitor to watch poor looking content?
Personally, I don't care if the director of a film intended it to look bad, was drunk during the post production, or just didn't care about the appearance of his/her work. I want pq that enables me to engage with the storyline and not be distracted by poor looking video.
Are you referring to the MCFI or the panel itself?
If you want flat pictures with every detail highlighted movies are not for you. Get your LCD and watch all the reality shows shot on video, they fit your criteria.
If you cannot follow a story if an out of focus background bothers you, or the grass isn't neon green, or every plot move isn't telegraphed, you might want to focus on animation.
The fake over enhanced look of an LCD with the AMP cranked up is as realistic as animation. It's a solution to a problem that created another problem.
If you cannot follow a story if an out of focus background bothers you, or the grass isn't neon green, or every plot move isn't telegraphed, you might want to focus on animation.
The fake over enhanced look of an LCD with the AMP cranked up is as realistic as animation. It's a solution to a problem that created another problem.
It can be disabled you know and the set can be calibrated to Rec .709 specs via colorimeter.
The end results won't bas accurate as a PDP, but it'll be very close.
The end results won't bas accurate as a PDP, but it'll be very close.
That's unfortunate, I don't *need* it but it would have been a nice option. I'll stick to leaving it off and using 5:5 pulldown. There's always the plasma for film content but I don't like watching it during the day.
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Originally Posted by Nielo TM /forum/post/16900837
No, sorry
In the UK, all the A series had the low and high-level MCFI unified under a single option. So the user would have to manually enable it during high-motion contents.
But that's all changed in the B series (kudos to Samsung). Now the user has control over Blur Reduction (high-level MCFI) and Judder reduction (low-level MCFI).
That's unfortunate, I don't *need* it but it would have been a nice option. I'll stick to leaving it off and using 5:5 pulldown. There's always the plasma for film content but I don't like watching it during the day.
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