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I was browsing Samsung's site and came across a new UN55MU8000FXZA. I chatted with Samsung rep and he said this is successor to popular KS8000. He mentioned this set is nearing 1500 NITS in brightness. But what was confusing is when I asked what types of HDR this supports he just said 4K HDR Extreme. I went ahead and ordered the 55 inch based on popularity of KS8000 series. Anyone heard of this set and have any more info? I missed seeing this announced.
 

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I was browsing Samsung's site and came across a new UN55MU8000FXZA. I chatted with Samsung rep and he said this is successor to popular KS8000. He mentioned this set is nearing 1500 NITS in brightness. But what was confusing is when I asked what types of HDR this supports he just said 4K HDR Extreme. I went ahead and ordered the 55 inch based on popularity of KS8000 series. Anyone heard of this set and have any more info? I missed seeing this announced.
FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.
 

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FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.
That has not been confirmed, that has only been speculated based on several chats with script-readers. Do you have hands-on experience with the MU-series, yet? Or have a definitive source, which excludes chat for obvious reasons, for said information?

If it doesn't, it doesn't. That's cool. But we definitive proof of that information.
 

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FWIW, KS series has QD and motheye. MU series doesn't. Both are very important to me.
I'm not sure that's true. The published specs on the MU series makes it look like it could basically be re-labeled KS. I haven't found any review sites that have tested any MU models.

I imagine that Samsung has to avoid making them sound too much like the expensive QLED models.

A motheye antireflection coating is a mixed blessing. It can be effective, but it's also very fragile.
 

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I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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I also noticed they labeled last years KS series a SUHD and this MU series Premium UHD?

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I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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900e will probably be between 850-1000 nits. It'll very likely be a better overall tv than the MU series. Need to wait for some nit numbers for that area, but I'm sure the 900e will be bright enough for a basement with no windows.
 

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I am putting in a basement with no windows. Reflection for me is not an issue. I am coming from a 2012 panasonic plasma, which has good picture but tends to have darker picture. I wanted a high nit HDR set under 1600 for 55 inch. Not sure if uses Quantum Dots but I'm sure they dont want to lessen QLED. I dont want want to spend 2300 on Q series. I considered the Sony 900E but early reviews claim good picture just not as bright as say 930E. They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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Coming from a plasma you will be most likely be disappointed in nighttime viewing with the lights off in the basement. I'm sure it will look great with bright scenes though.

I also noticed they labeled last years KS series a SUHD and this MU series Premium UHD?

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It's all just marketing to sell tvs.
 

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They claim billions of colors how they get that without some form of quantum dot not sure.

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Billions of colors = 10 bit color (10 bits each for RGB, 30 bits altogether, 2^30 = 1.07 billion). No quantum dots are required. The benefit of QDs was more related to obtaining a WCG (wide color gamut).

Some TVs with 8 bit panels will display 10 bit color using a temporal dithering scheme (FRC). rtings.com lists such TVs as 10 bit.
 

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I'm not sure that's true. The published specs on the MU series makes it look like it could basically be re-labeled KS. I haven't found any review sites that have tested any MU models.

I imagine that Samsung has to avoid making them sound too much like the expensive QLED models.

A motheye antireflection coating is a mixed blessing. It can be effective, but it's also very fragile.
The specs say it has an Ultra Clear Panel which was a predecessor of Moth Eye (iirc there was the basic Ultra Clear Panel and a higher end one as well on the topmodels; Ultra Clear Pro?) so it probably doesn't have Moth Eye already. If it did still have Quantum Dots they would have called it the MS8000? But unlike the QD's you can check the presence of Moth Eye from the service menu panel/ 'option' code ... Specs say it has Active Crystal Color like the KU models did whereas the KS8000 out of the three options explicitely mentions:
"Color (Quantum Dot/Active Crystal/PurColor): Quantum Dot Color" [well the entire KS8000 page is full of Quantum Dot references and not a single one on the MU8000 page]


Samsung Germany says it reaches 1000 nits (probably the HDR1000 spec?) like last year's topmodels (I do see HDR1000 on the KS8000 page indeed) and (in the) 90% DCI P3

Die neuen Premium UHD Fernseher der MU-Serie stehen für hohe Ansprüche. Die Geräte der Serien MU9009 (Curved), MU8009 (Flat) und MU7009 (Flat) sind in Größen zwischen 49 und 75 Zoll (123 bis 163 cm) Bilddiagonale erhältlich und erreichen die von den Flaggschiffen des Vorjahres bekannte sehr hohe Spitzenhelligkeit von bis zu 1.000 Nits. Mit HDR-Unterstützung und einer 90-prozentigen Abdeckung des DCI-Kinofarbraums bieten Sie anspruchsvollen Kunden einen hohen Sehkomfort. Die Bildverbesserungstechnologie Dynamic Crystal Color sorgt für eine hohe Farbsättigung, die Supreme UHD Dimming Engine ermöglicht eine präzise Kontrastansteuerung – für besonders lebensechte Bilder.
https://news.samsung.com/de/samsung...uktportfolio-2017-feiern-deutschlandpremiere/
 

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The specs say it has an Ultra Clear Panel which was a predecessor of Moth Eye (iirc there was the basic Ultra Clear Panel and a higher end one as well on the topmodels; Ultra Clear Pro?) so it probably doesn't have Moth Eye already. If it did still have Quantum Dots they would have called it the MS8000? But unlike the QD's you can check the presence of Moth Eye from the service menu panel/ 'option' code ... Specs say it has Active Crystal Color like the KU models did whereas the KS8000 out of the three options explicitely mentions:
"Color (Quantum Dot/Active Crystal/PurColor): Quantum Dot Color" [well the entire KS8000 page is full of Quantum Dot references and not a single one on the MU8000 page]


Samsung Germany says it reaches 1000 nits (probably the HDR1000 spec?) like last year's topmodels (I do see HDR1000 on the KS8000 page indeed) and (in the) 90% DCI P3
Yes, no QD or moth eye. Just as one should expect given the absence of such a claim in the product literature (or customer service script).
 

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Yes, no QD or moth eye. Just as one should expect given the absence of such a claim in the product literature (or customer service script).

Samsung refers to their moth eye application as "Ultra black" feature. And yes, the MU tvs have this feature.
 

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900e will probably be between 850-1000 nits. It'll very likely be a better overall tv than the MU series. Need to wait for some nit numbers for that area, but I'm sure the 900e will be bright enough for a basement with no windows.
I am hearing that the Sony 900E only has 20 local dimming zones so it might not be quite the bargain it initially appeared.

 

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I am hearing that the Sony 900E only has 20 local dimming zones so it might not be quite the bargain it initially appeared.

Which size?

I'd likely still choose a 20 zone fald over an edge lit tv with 14 fake zones.
 

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Which size?

I'd likely still choose a 20 zone fald over an edge lit tv with 14 fake zones.
According to the podcast it was the 65" model - review will no doubt be up in the next coupld of days ... he seems to think the the limited amount of zones will actually be an advantage for things like sport and panning shots.
 

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And where is 'Ultra Black' listed for the MU8000? You can search the entire page for black and not come across 'Ultra Black' ... so I guess that confirms it does in fact not have Moth Eye? Of course in Europe they surprisingly call Moth Eye: Moth Eye, so that leaves nothing to the guestimagintion (when you look for it in the specs) ...

edit: so it seems the screen filter tech has been repackaged and is now either: Essential Black (MU7000, there was no mention of Ultra Black for the MU7000 in the convention specs) or Triple Black (MU8000 & 9000, with Triple Black the one that could contain Moth Eye, but again no mention of either of these nor Ultra Black on the Samsung MU8000 product page)
edit 2: Crutchfield explanation
Triple Black: The Samsung UHD TV incorporates three unique technologies to bring out enhanced detail with deeper blacks, letting you see greater detail even in the shadows of dark scenes.

  • Ultra-Clear Panel: Its Ultra-Clear Panel also absorbs ambient light better, reduces reflections and lets the picture come to life. It displays deeper blacks and enhanced contrast for crystal clarity and reduces glare, so you can see clearly and enjoy more detail.
  • Ultra Black Technology: Samsung's Ultra Black technology uses and outer layer of nano-sized ridges along the LCD panel to better absorb or re-direct light which in turn prevents reflection and glare.
  • Precision Black Local Dimming: Precision Black Local Dimming dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks, while the brighter elements remain as bright as they should be for sharper contrast.
Two out of three listed on the Samsung spec page but not Ultra Black/Moth Eye ...
 

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And where is 'Ultra Black' listed for the MU8000? You can search the entire page for black and not come across 'Ultra Black' ... so I guess that confirms it does in fact not have Moth Eye? Of course in Europe they surprisingly call Moth Eye: Moth Eye, so that leaves nothing to the guestimagintion (when you look for it in the specs) ...

edit: so it seems the screen filter tech has been repackaged and is now either: Essential Black (MU7000, there was no mention of Ultra Black for the MU7000 in the convention specs) or Triple Black (MU8000 & 9000, with Triple Black the one that could contain Moth Eye, but again no mention of either of these nor Ultra Black on the Samsung MU8000 product page)
edit 2: Crutchfield explanation

Two out of three listed on the Samsung spec page but not Ultra Black/Moth Eye ...
Ultra Black was listed last week under the mu8000 specs under the features checklist. I checked it at least 3 seperate times. I just checked again and it's now gone.


FWIW: Here's the samsung explanation about how ultra black (moth eye filter) works:


https://news.samsung.com/global/ult...f-us-who-dont-turn-off-the-lights-to-watch-tv
 

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Any update on these yet? I too saw the samsung specs on their page listing ultra black before they changed them. Seems weird. Why the change? A mistake originally? I can't see them decide to make a sets specs seem worse than they really are.

If what we hear so far is true and these are a uhd set in samsungs terms, then there is no 65" $2k option for a comparable ks8000 this year. Seems like they would be losing a ton of the segment.
 
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