If I'm not mistake the 85950G uses the Xwide angle which lowers the native contrast lower than that of the Samsungs. The 82Q90 is the better overall TV but each has some pros and cons.
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Samsung Q90R or Sony X950G - 82/85"
Looking at these two TV's, I can purchase these each for $3500 respectively. I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... Lol
After a number of reviews/research, I feel like I've found out the following.
Q90R
Better Brightness
Lower Native Contrast
Higher LD Contrast
Minimal Blooming
Lost Shadow Details
No Dolby Vision
No eARC (maybe?)
Some reported motion concerns.
HDR+ minimal usage out there.
X950G
Lower Brightness
Out of Box Color Accuracy
Higher Native Contrast
Blooming Present
eARC
Dolby Vision
Better Motion Processing
Coming from a KS8000 65", looking for 80+" upgrade. I've also noticed the blooming on my current TV, so I had hopes to negate that. I prefer future proof where capable but minimally important. I typically focus my movie efforts to Blu-Ray UHD, so Atmos goes through my receiver. I've dealt with Black Crush on the current Samsung. And most importantly is the God awful TV+ feature that was poorly implemented on the KS8000 causing random switching to it.
I don't plan to have professional calibration, if anything recommends or my own calibration would be my go to if need be. I've also looked at the X900F but heard that it's Dolby Vision presentation was poor. Unfortunately what I think I've seen is of the 2019 models, there appears to be a drop in native contrast in comparison to the KS8000 for similar TV's.
My main usage is Movies/Evening Viewing/Minimal PC Usage and Gaming. I typically also turn off all the fancy smooth motions feature and Eco solutions or enhanced contrast features of my KS8000.
Given my commentary on usage, which TV would the AVS family recommend?
After a number of reviews/research, I feel like I've found out the following.
Q90R
Better Brightness
Lower Native Contrast
Higher LD Contrast
Minimal Blooming
Lost Shadow Details
No Dolby Vision
No eARC (maybe?)
Some reported motion concerns.
HDR+ minimal usage out there.
X950G
Lower Brightness
Out of Box Color Accuracy
Higher Native Contrast
Blooming Present
eARC
Dolby Vision
Better Motion Processing
Coming from a KS8000 65", looking for 80+" upgrade. I've also noticed the blooming on my current TV, so I had hopes to negate that. I prefer future proof where capable but minimally important. I typically focus my movie efforts to Blu-Ray UHD, so Atmos goes through my receiver. I've dealt with Black Crush on the current Samsung. And most importantly is the God awful TV+ feature that was poorly implemented on the KS8000 causing random switching to it.
I don't plan to have professional calibration, if anything recommends or my own calibration would be my go to if need be. I've also looked at the X900F but heard that it's Dolby Vision presentation was poor. Unfortunately what I think I've seen is of the 2019 models, there appears to be a drop in native contrast in comparison to the KS8000 for similar TV's.
My main usage is Movies/Evening Viewing/Minimal PC Usage and Gaming. I typically also turn off all the fancy smooth motions feature and Eco solutions or enhanced contrast features of my KS8000.
Given my commentary on usage, which TV would the AVS family recommend?
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That seems to be the 2019 game, wider angle. Have no interest but it's tough to buy a TV that doesn't have some future capability. I expect Dolby Vision to be pushed given the Apple TV/Disney+/Netflix usage.If I'm not mistake the 85950G uses the Xwide angle which lowers the native contrast lower than that of the Samsungs. The 82Q90 is the better overall TV but each has some pros and cons.
Would you say the X900F is not worth it?
That seems to be the 2019 game, wider angle. Have no interest but it's tough to buy a TV that doesn't have some future capability. I expect Dolby Vision to be pushed given the Apple TV/Disney+/Netflix usage.
Would you say the X900F is not worth it?
Dimming on those Sonys are not great. I have an 82Q90 and the contrast is still very good and with dimming turned on is still the 3rd best for an lcd I believe. Only the Q9FN and Vizio PQX are higher.
When it comes to Dolby Vision or not, hardware beats software every time. The better TV with HDR10 is better Than the tv with inferior hardware that has Dolby Vision.
And I sort of feel that way about DV as it falls back to HDR. So the Q90R feels better but the black crush concerns me. The examples shown on Vincent's Q90R reviews would bother me if they are as strong as it appears. The scenes for HP or Dark Knight where as the details are lost based on Samsung's aggressive LD. This is keeping in mind, I keep my Contrast Enhancer off or Low on my KS8000.Dimming on those Sonys are not great. I have an 82Q90 and the contrast is still very good and with dimming turned on is still the 3rd best for an lcd I believe. Only the Q9FN and Vizio PQX are higher.
When it comes to Dolby Vision or not, hardware beats software every time. The better TV with HDR10 is better Than the tv with inferior hardware that has Dolby Vision.
And I sort of feel that way about DV as it falls back to HDR. So the Q90R feels better but the black crush concerns me. The examples shown on Vincent's Q90R reviews would bother me if they are as strong as it appears. The scenes for HP or Dark Knight where as the details are lost based on Samsung's aggressive LD. This is keeping in mind, I keep my Contrast Enhancer off or Low on my KS8000.
The dimming was super aggressive on the q9fn but it's been eased up alot on the Q90. Also, the dimming on the 82" is different than the versions that Vincent reviewed because the 82" uses a different grid setup. Also, crush can be eliminated or mostly fixed with settings,Vincent won't adjust his settings because they are 100% to a certain standard and he refuses to do tweaks to help.
You have my curiosity on the 82" being different, can you elaborate? Also, do you have a location that can recommend settings as a base to work from? Given the lack of plan to do professional calibration.The dimming was super aggressive on the q9fn but it's been eased up alot on the Q90. Also, the dimming on the 82" is different than the versions that Vincent reviewed because the 82" uses a different grid setup. Also, crush can be eliminated or mostly fixed with settings,Vincent won't adjust his settings because they are 100% to a certain standard and he refuses to do tweaks to help.
Also, looking at things like rtings when it comes to Native Contrasts, how should I take this when looking at rtings numbers comparing the models with current day? For example, the lessened contrast?
You have my curiosity on the 82" being different, can you elaborate? Also, do you have a location that can recommend settings as a base to work from? Given the lack of plan to do professional calibration.
Also, looking at things like rtings when it comes to Native Contrasts, how should I take this when looking at rtings numbers comparing the models with current day? For example, the lessened contrast?
Technically, the 82q90 uses an inferior zone grid than tht of the 65/75" versions. It uses 40x12 instead of 30x16. No clue why Samsung did this but the 82Q90 still performs better than other models in its size range.
Hard to compare native contrasts over years because rtings equipment and methods have changed. But the important number is the contrast with dimming. Which the Q90 is stil very good ND better than 99% of lcds available today.
Looking at these two TV's, I can purchase these each for $3500 respectively. I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... Lol
After a number of reviews/research, I feel like I've found out the following.
Q90R
Better Brightness
Lower Native Contrast
Higher LD Contrast
Minimal Blooming
Lost Shadow Details
No Dolby Vision
No eARC (maybe?)
Some reported motion concerns.
HDR+ minimal usage out there.
X950G
Lower Brightness
Out of Box Color Accuracy
Higher Native Contrast
Blooming Present
eARC
Dolby Vision
Better Motion Processing
Coming from a KS8000 65", looking for 80+" upgrade. I've also noticed the blooming on my current TV, so I had hopes to negate that. I prefer future proof where capable but minimally important. I typically focus my movie efforts to Blu-Ray UHD, so Atmos goes through my receiver. I've dealt with Black Crush on the current Samsung. And most importantly is the God awful TV+ feature that was poorly implemented on the KS8000 causing random switching to it.
I don't plan to have professional calibration, if anything recommends or my own calibration would be my go to if need be. I've also looked at the X900F but heard that it's Dolby Vision presentation was poor. Unfortunately what I think I've seen is of the 2019 models, there appears to be a drop in native contrast in comparison to the KS8000 for similar TV's.
My main usage is Movies/Evening Viewing/Minimal PC Usage and Gaming. I typically also turn off all the fancy smooth motions feature and Eco solutions or enhanced contrast features of my KS8000.
Given my commentary on usage, which TV would the AVS family recommend?
Four things I would have in the forefront of my mind shopping for a big boy are price, narrower viewing angle, contrast, and pre and post calibration. You've knocked it out of the park for the first (maybe a tape measured clout for the Samsung). For the second and third, Samsung Ultra Viewing Angle and Sony X-Wide Angle come into play. You must decide by sightseeing, not paper-trailing, if either are acceptable. For the fourth consideration, Samsung is abysmal for pre-calibration, while Sony is very good. For this $izable purcha$e, I see calibration as being a wise expenditure, and particularly so for a Samsung purchase.
Should you choose to avoid wide angle tech, two options could be Sony X900F and Samsung Q70R.
Good luck, have fun with whatever you choose.
I am currently in a similar predicament as I have been reading for the last few years. Finally my old TV quit and all the paper knowledge didn't quite help me out yet. In addition to the two above I also considered the 82q900, mostly for the additional brightness. Still mulling it over. Dolby Vision and the difficulty of calibrating the Samsung are the factors right now working against.
Sony on the other hand is more accurate to start with and easier to calibrate and the nice thing is if you calibrate the SDR, the tv will map the HDR based on that. Just an app will open up the two user modes as well. No need for the special cable and the usb-serial dongle etc.
All the input in thread sure helps me too. Thanks.
Sony on the other hand is more accurate to start with and easier to calibrate and the nice thing is if you calibrate the SDR, the tv will map the HDR based on that. Just an app will open up the two user modes as well. No need for the special cable and the usb-serial dongle etc.
All the input in thread sure helps me too. Thanks.
I would not buy a tv that does not have dolby vision because its the best HDR format on the market.
I agree with you and feel the same way. But, when you see the brightness of Samsung TVs, it is hard to ignore that as well.
3 things...
First, my previous 3 tv’s had Dolby Vision and my 82” Q90 does not. Do I miss it? Not at all.
Second, don’t let anyone tell you that the Q90 does not look good OOB and requires calibration. My Q90 looks every bit as good as my former Sony Z9F did, when set to Movie mode.
Third, a tv >80” in size and without wide angle tech, will look noticeably washed out on the far left and right sides of the screen, if you are seated dead center and inside 10ft. My former 85” 900F was returned for this very reason, along with the excessive blooming issue.
First, my previous 3 tv’s had Dolby Vision and my 82” Q90 does not. Do I miss it? Not at all.
Second, don’t let anyone tell you that the Q90 does not look good OOB and requires calibration. My Q90 looks every bit as good as my former Sony Z9F did, when set to Movie mode.
Third, a tv >80” in size and without wide angle tech, will look noticeably washed out on the far left and right sides of the screen, if you are seated dead center and inside 10ft. My former 85” 900F was returned for this very reason, along with the excessive blooming issue.
All valid points. It is really nice to hear the opinion of someone who had Dolby vison. As much as I have read all the theory, I haven't compared the two. While I have seen some videos, those were on a 1080p SDR screen. Thanks for the input.
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