[creemail]

 Samsung's CES 2009 HDTV lineup leaked?


Samsung's 2009 Lineup

Should be officially announced at CES 2009 which takes place on the 8th-11th January 2009. Information on Deciphering the product code is in this post.


Bear in mind the Manuals aren't the final versions which will ship with the TV's, and may not be representitive of the final product. For those that copy these posts to other forums (Cello etc), please make sure people are aware of this.


Warrenty for the UK should be 1 year Download and for Western Europe it should be 2 years Download.


New Features for 2009

There is a new support menu. It has the user manual, sound/ picture diagnostics, DTV signal meter, HD connections which it lists as "How to get the best performance from your TV.". In the support menu is also a firmware upgrade option and will display the TV's current firmware version. The new style 16:9 colour user manual is in Adobe Flash format and is very easy to navigate via the remote


For 100hz Motion Plus there is now a custom setting. This has two options:


Blur Reduction: Adjusts the blur reduction level in video sources.

Judder Reduction: Adjusts the judder reduction level in video sources with film signals.


Motion Plus 'Low' has been renamed to 'Clear' and 'High' to 'Smooth'.


Black Adjust → Off/ Low/ Medium/ High has been renamed to Black Tone → Off / Dark / Darker / Darkest.


Optical Link Ready. Optical passthough?


BD Wisesync. Talks to other Blu-ray/ HTX devices to optimise HD playback


Natural Picture mode joins Standard, Dynamic and Movie. Natural Selects the picture for optimum and eye-comfortable display


Film Mode. The TV can be set to automatically sense and process film signals from all sources and adjust the picture for optimum quality.


Divx Certified. Although the A756/ A856/ A956 supported playing Divx media files, but weren't officially certified as Divx devices.


Divx Video On Demand


Now supports playback of movies in the following formats upto 1080p: MKV/ WMV/ VOB/ AVI/ TS/ 3GP/ MPG/ ASF


2 x USB2.0 Ports. Along with the much improved media capabilites, the TV features a pair of USB2.0 ports on the side. Now allows you have have the optional wireless adaptor plugged in one USB slot, while using the other for connecting to storage device drives. The headphone socket been moved round the back???


[email protected] A feature rich replacement for InfoLive, uses Yahoo Widgets from Samsung's partnership with Yahoo.


There are one new 3 series planned, three new 4 series planned; the 4B, 4C and the 4Q. Two new 4 series planned; the 5K and the 5P. Four new 6 planned; the 6A, 6N, 6R and the 6T. Finally there is one new 7 series, the 7U.


The lineup for 2009 currently appears to be:


LCD


Western Europe


Series 4

LE19B450C4W

LE22B450C4W

LE26B450C4W

LE32B450C4W


Series 5

B530

LE32B530P7W

LE37B530P7W

LE40B530P7W

LE46B530P7W


B550

LE32B550A5W

LE37B550A5W

LE40B550A5W

LE46B550A5W


Series 6

B650

LE32B650T2W

LE37B650T2W

LE40B650T2W

LE46B650T2W

LE32B653T5W

LE37B653T5W

LE40B653T5W

LE46B653T5W

The B653 should be a cosmetic variation of the B650.


B530

The HDMI to use with PC DVI input has changed to HDMI-1 instead of HDMI-2. Loses USB port for wiselink, now has a USB service port on the rear. The custom colour space in detail menu is no longer availible. No xvYCC colour support. In Colour tone it loses cool1 and cool2, now there is only cool. No PIP/ PAP. No seperate audio in for when using a DVI ==> HDMI cable, now uses the same 3.5mm socket as the VGA does. Has no Headphone socket. 1 Scart socket, no S-VHS.


Asia


Series 4

LA26B450C4

LA32B450C4

LA37B450C4

LA40B450C4


Series 5

LA32B550K1R

LA40B550K1R

LA46B550K1R

LA52B550K1R


Series 6

LA32B650T1R

LA40B650T1R

LA46B650T1R

LA55B650T1R


US

Series 3

LN19B360C5D

LN22B360C5D

LN26B360C5D

LN32B360C5D


Series 5

LN32B530P7F

LN37B530P7F

LN40B530P7F

LN46B530P7F

LN52B530P7F

LN32B550K1F

LN37B550K1F

LN40B550K1F

LN46B550K1F

LN52B550K1F


Series 6

LN40B610A5F

LN46B610A5F

LN52B610A5F



LN32B650T1F

LN37B650T1F

LN40B650T1F

LN46B650T1F

LN55B650T1F


Series 7

UN40B7000WF

UN46B7000WF

UN55B7000WF


Brazil

LN26B450C4M

LN32B450C4M

LN37B450C4M

LN40B450C4M

LN40B650T1M

LN46B650T1M

LN55B650T1M


Plasma


Asia

PS42B450B1

PS50B450B1

PS50B550T2R

PS58B550T2R


Australia

PS42B450B1D

PS50B450B1D


New Zealand

PS42B450B1M

PS50B450B1M

US

PN42B450B1D

PN50B450B1D

PN50B550T2F

PN58B550T2F

PN63B550T2F

PN50B650S1F

PN58B650S1F


Western Europe

PS42B430P2M

PS50B430P2M

PS42B450B1W

PS50B450B1W

PS50B530S2W

PS50B550T4W

 

[maxdog03]

Great info Chris. Do you know if they are all 1080p panels or are the series 3 and 4 still 720p?

 

[creemail]

Not sure, but this thread will be huge with tons more info to come. The one thing that is intriguing about Samsung is that they are going to now focus on LED. This will definitely shake up the LCD market. Pricing should come down tremendously...


Chris

 

[Bill1313]

Any mention of Samsung using "THX" in any of their models? Do they still have Analog Tuners in them? & I wish someone would build a model with

P-I-P & Twin QAM Tuners in it & it should be easy enough to do especially if they drop the Analog Tuners. Any info on Split-Screens in any models?

 

[KLee]



Quote:
Originally Posted by creemail /forum/post/15404113


Not sure, but this thread will be huge with tons more info to come. The one thing that is intriguing about Samsung is that they are going to now focus on LED. This will definitely shake up the LCD market. Pricing should come down tremendously...


Chris

Yes, the B6000/B7000/B8000 series in 40/46/55 inch sizes are all LED panels.....thats nine different TVs at three different price points each....a very healthy lineup!!!


Between this and recent reports that the South Korean Won has a much more favorable exchange rate vs. the US Dollar than the current Yen/Dollar relationship means Samsung (and to a lesser extent, LG) will probably do MAJOR damage to their Japanese counterparts give their added flexibility in terms of exchange rates and engineering leadership in product development...



In 2009, I believe Samsung will be the ones to watch in consumer electronics

 

[FAUguy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by creemail /forum/post/15403847

Samsung's CES 2009 HDTV lineup leaked?

US

PN42B450B1D

PN50B450B1D

PN50B550T2F

PN58B550T2F

PN63B550T2F

PN50B650S1F

PN58B650S1F

Since the 42A450 is 720p, I wonder if the 42B450 will be 1080p.

 

[ilkevinli]

I would expect the 450 to still be 720p.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FAUguy /forum/post/15404791


Since the 42A450 is 720p, I wonder if the 42B450 will be 1080p.

 

[HTPC101]

Heck yeah!! Now i can wait!

 

[whityfrd]

how does led sets stack up against the best plasmas today, kuro, etc. and what are the differences between lcd and led?

 

[creemail]



Quote:
Originally Posted by maxdog03 /forum/post/15403984


Great info Chris. Do you know if they are all 1080p panels or are the series 3 and 4 still 720p?

Not sure as of yet. But more info should get leaked as we go...

Chris

 

[FAUguy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ilkevinli /forum/post/15405621


I would expect the 450 to still be 720p.

Yes, just checked the manual as it is still 720p (768).

 

[FAUguy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by whityfrd /forum/post/15408004


how does led sets stack up against the best plasmas today, kuro, etc. and what are the differences between lcd and led?

There was a review on CNET I read last week where they reviewed the Samsung 9 series LCDs which use LED backlight. They said it was the 'best' image they've seen on a LCD, but still not as good as the Pioneer Kuro Plasmas, with the cost being about the same.

Now Samsung is having more model series with LED backlight, so the price will be less. It will be interesting to see how those stack up to Plasmas.


Wasn't there an article on Engadget a while back saying that Pioneer was going to release more Kuro units in 09, including a few Kuro LCDs?

 

[creemail]



Quote:
Originally Posted by whityfrd /forum/post/15408004


how does led sets stack up against the best plasmas today, kuro, etc. and what are the differences between lcd and led?

LEDs have some of the deepest black levels of any display today. However, the most challenging problem is keeping the back light completely off. I believe the new Samsung LEDs will be an improvement over the A950s. However, the Kuro blacks are the toughest to replicate. Given how blacks improve year after the year I wouldn't count out next years Pioneer Extreme Black Contrast Ratio, but we won't see anything until 4th Quarter of 2009.

Chris

 

[ercc]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FAUguy /forum/post/15408393


There was a review on CNET I read last week where they reviewed the Samsung 9 series LCDs which use LED backlight. They said it was the 'best' image they've seen on a LCD, but still not as good as the Pioneer Kuro Plasmas, with the cost being about the same.

Now Samsung is having more model series with LED backlight, so the price will be less. It will be interesting to see how those stack up to Plasmas.


Wasn't there an article on Engadget a while back saying that Pioneer was going to release more Kuro units in 09, including a few Kuro LCDs?

Yes, pioneer will release new kuros in '09 (G10 sets), although they may be out a bit later than in previous years. We will see 5 lumen tech, and possibly extreme contrast (infinite contrast ratio). If we don't see extreme contrast, we can expect a lowered black level that is perhaps still unmeasureable (and from all angles and with all content). So that will be pretty big either way.


I assume they will use a unified panasonic/pioneer/hitachi NeoPDP-based glass produced in panasonic's new plasma plant and assembly of the other internal components will take place in pioneer's current factory.


The interesting thing is each company will have a choice of how to implement the increased efficiency. Pioneer will presumably use advances in their proprietary 'kuro' tech to lower black level, along with the increased efficiency to help certain other areas of the panel. I'm guessing Panasonic will be doing a similar thing as they use their tech from the vx100 series to further lower black level, along with the implementing the various enhancements 5 lumen tech can bring.


For small screen sizes, Sharp (part owner of pioneer) will market one of their LCDs rebadged with the pioneer name on it.

 

[H_Prestige]

Will these plasmas have extreme blacks?

 

[ercc]



Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige /forum/post/15408553


Will these plasmas have extreme blacks?

The pioneers? Maybe. Its actually already been done, it just is very expensive to manufacture right now. There is talk of waiting further to release the tech due to the high cost.


The samsungs LEDs? No. That is not something that a backlight-based tech can achieve. On the LED sets the blacks will likely be the same as last year but with a reduction in the host of problems that LED tech brought to the table. The main area that people should watch is viewing angles. They took a huge step back from even the regular lcd models with the 2008 led sets.


The samsung plasmas? Unless they have a BIG trick up their sleeve, no. Although I have heard they are planning something.

 

[ercc]



Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige /forum/post/15408553


Will these plasmas have extreme blacks?

The pioneers? Maybe. Its actually already been done, it just is very expensive to manufacture right now. There is talk of waiting further to release the tech due to the high cost.


The samsungs LEDs? No. That is not something that a backlight-based tech can achieve. On the LED sets the blacks will likely be the same as last year but with a reduction in the host of problems that LED tech brought to the table. The main area that people should watch is viewing angles. They took a huge step back from even the regular lcd models with the 2008 led sets.


The samsung plasmas? Unless they have a BIG trick up their sleeve, no. Although I have heard they are planning something.

 

[Bazzy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ercc /forum/post/15408733


The pioneers? Maybe. Its actually already been done, it just is very expensive to manufacture right now. There is talk of waiting further to release the tech due to the high cost.


The samsungs LEDs? No. That is not something that a backlight-based tech can achieve. On the LED sets the blacks will likely be the same as last year but with a reduction in the host of problems that LED tech brought to the table. The main area that people should watch is viewing angles. They took a huge step back from even the regular lcd models with the 2008 led sets.

The samsung plasmas? Unless they have a BIG trick up their sleeve, no. Although I have heard they are planning something.

Hi,


I will not believe that Samsung will have any significant improvement in Black Levels with their plasmas - at very best they probably might be on par with this years Panasonic models with their new 2009 line-up seeing as they can now no longer use some of the tech they pinched from Pioneer. I remember about how LG caused massive anticipation threads that ran for months with their promised "Infinite/Absolute Black" Plasmas that were supposed to be launched earlier this year only to be mysteriously withdrawn at launch time. At the end of the day it was just marketing hype and its something the Koreans take too far! Samsung/LG Plasmas will never be able to match the blacks of basic (non Neo-Pdp) Panasonic models let alone those from Pioneer.


Bazzy!

 

[Cleveland Plasma]



Quote:
Originally Posted by FAUguy /forum/post/15408393


There was a review on CNET I read last week where they reviewed the Samsung 9 series LCDs which use LED backlight. They said it was the 'best' image they've seen on a LCD, but still not as good as the Pioneer Kuro Plasmas, with the cost being about the same.

Now Samsung is having more model series with LED backlight, so the price will be less. It will be interesting to see how those stack up to Plasmas.

Samsung LED displays are pretty sweet displays

That technoligy will be nice to watchas it get better.

 

[laststop311]

Samsungs current plasmas don't have support for 24fps, did I read this correctly in that the 2009 plasmas will have 96hz capability and bypass the 2:3 pulldown with 4:4 pulldown. Am I also correctly understanding that it will play high def .mkv files off the usb input or just the DLNA network input. This tv will also be DLNA compliant. If you search google you can download the owners manuals for the 2009 650 series. Will someone just verify if I am correct on these points for the 2009 series 6 samsung plasmas.


1. They will have the option of running at 96hz to eliminate 2:3 pulldown.

2. They will be DLNA compliant and be able to run high def .mkv files via network.

3. They will be able to run High Def .mkv files via USB port and USB memory stick.

4. Will Touch of color still be added to the series 6 plasmas?


Can anyone confirm if I'm right about these 3 points if so I am returning my TV, taking the 15% restocking fee and waiting for these 2009's