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The FCC granted the application for K03IC to operate 3W from Mt. St. Helena. This is another of Keith's One Ministries stations.

I wondered why there would be a station on RF 3 while KFTY was on RF 2 from the same location? I checked KFTY and I see there is a construction permit to move KFTY to a location WNW of Sacramento at almost 1900'. It would still be 3KW omni directional but it would have very good coverage all over Sacramento.

I further wondered if I will be able to receive this. I checked the heading for KFTY and it is 294.2 degrees. Not a great direction for me. But KEZT and KBTV are on a tower in Sacramento with a nearly identical heading of 294.0 degrees. I ran a path profile for KFTY and added in a line for KEZT and KBTV. See attachment. I can receive KEZT and KBTV under favorable conditions but the biggest problem is severe co-channel interference to both of those stations. The spectrum analyzer says they're almost always strong enough to decode if it weren't for the interference. Even though KFTY is 38.4 miles farther away and therefore will lose about 4 dB due to distance, the path is better, barley 2 edge compared to 3 edges for KEZT/KBTV. I would expect that channel 2 will refract over the mountains better than UHF. Although it looks like a terrible angle from the last ridge to my antennas, it measures about 1.3 degrees, not much worse than I have to Walnut Grove now.

If Keith is still reading this, when do you expect these changes to occur?

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I've had the antennas pointed a Chico after I discovered that some of the stations up there go in and out on a short term basis much of the day. I'm seeing KHSL, KCVU and KNVN but the signals are all very unstable. I've never paid much attention to these stations so this might be the way it is all the time. The attached terrain plot shows about 8 edges it has to refract over. I have no idea how any signal at all ever gets here. It probably accounts for the instability though.

The last time I checked KHSL, 12.1 was CBS HD and 12.2 was CW SD, same as KION. Now they are doing the same thing as KSBW is with NBC and ABC except 12.1 is CBS 1080i and 12.2 is CW 720p. I checked KION and CW is still 480i except that now it automatically appears full screen.

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TheCoolTV is now on 2 KTLN subchannels, 68.2 and 68.4.
It looks like 68.2 is a straight mirror of 68.4.
However, earlier today I noticed an E/I program that was only airing on 68.2.
Thanks for the info, OTnA. I checked it out last night, and they have even changed the PSIP on 68.2 to The Cool TV. I'll have to keep an eye on them to see if they make any other changes.

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The FCC granted the application for K03IC to operate 3W from Mt. St. Helena. This is another of Keith's One Ministries stations.
Chuck
So this would be a translator of the Mt. Tam translator?

I am still waiting for KTVJ to appear on channel 4 from Mt. Tam.

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I've had the antennas pointed a Chico after I discovered that some of the stations up there go in and out on a short term basis much of the day. I'm seeing KHSL, KCVU and KNVN but the signals are all very unstable.
Chuck
KCVU and KNVN are the two stations I've received in the past, at 155 and 175 miles away, and the only ones beyond my 65 mile range for KEMO. I haven't seen any signals from them in a long time, though.

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So this would be a translator of the Mt. Tam translator?

I am still waiting for KTVJ to appear on channel 4 from Mt. Tam.

Larry

I don't know how all those stations are connected together. Isn't KFTY getting it's signal from KKPM on the Sutter Buttes? The new location would be even closer to KKPM. Maybe Keith will publish a diagram showing how all the stations are connected someday.

I'd like to see KTVJ come on the air. I think I have a very good path to Mt. Tam based on how much interference K03HY causes KCSO. I'm a little skeptical though since KTVJ was supposed to be on the air years ago. The only positive sign I see is the recent granting of the application for KTVJ to share the K03HY antenna. I wonder what the programming might be?

BTW, with all the Sierra thunderstorms the last few days, I'm getting a real taste of how lightning strikes mess up low VHF. They even impact the weaker high VHF stations.

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I've had the antennas pointed a Chico after I discovered that some of the stations up there go in and out on a short term basis much of the day. I'm seeing KHSL, KCVU and KNVN but the signals are all very unstable. I've never paid much attention to these stations so this might be the way it is all the time. I have no idea how any signal at all ever gets here.
Chuck
There is also some analog stations coming from the same transmitter farm area.
From my memory working on the Roseville antennas Analogs were 16,17,19, and twenty something. Around 3 to 5 analogs.
 

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There is also some analog stations coming from the same transmitter farm area.
From my memory working on the Roseville antennas Analogs were 16,17,19, and twenty something. Around 3 to 5 analogs.
I may have seen Bakersfield on 17 before the conversion but nothing on 16 or 17 for a long time now.

Unless the FCC changes its mind, analog will be history in little more than a year. I expect stations requesting extra time to build their digital stations will go on longer than that.

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I witnessed a couple of interesting situations tonight.

First the signal from low power channel 8, KDTS 52, from Mt. Diablo was doing real crazy things tonight, varying from 9 dB (lowest level seen) to 19 dB over the course of just a few minutes. It would go up and down very quickly from one extreme to the other. I also noted that they have finally dropped the supered "BOB-4" from the picture.

The other interesting thing, again high VHF, was watching the signals from KVIE 6 (RF9) and KXTV 10. They both were varying quite a bit, from about 14 dB, below cliff edge, to 20 dB, but they weren't in sync. Since they're next to each other in frequency I'd expect them to kind of go up and down together, and that's usually what happens, but tonight KVIE would be high and KXTV would be below the cliff edge, and then KXTV would rise in strength and KVIE would go down. I watched this go on for at least 20 minutes. Sometimes they'd both be up at 20 dB, other times they'd both be low. KVIE never dropped below the cliff edge though. It got down to 15.9, there was some pixelation and the signal went back up. KXTV was making bigger swings. I checked later and KVIE was there, but KXTV was not.

All of the distant UHF stations seemed to be coming in at or slightly above normal levels tonight and weren't varying much at all.

Can anyone explain why two channels right next to each other would be acting so much differently from each other? Maybe whatever was affecting 9 and 10 was also causing the weirdness on channel 8. ? ? ?

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I checked KION and CW is still 480i except that now it automatically appears full screen.
Last I saw, KION is also carrying KMUV in 1080i on 23-1, which would mean three HD feeds on that transmitter if they put CW up in HD.

I still think that they should have never gone with the virtual channel idea. Stations should use their actual transmitter channel number when IDing themselves. We'd all get used to it in no time, but I doubt that is ever going to happen. We'd still have KGO 7 and KICU 36, but what's wrong with KTVU 44, KRON 38, KPIX 29, KQED 30, KNTV 12, etc.
Channel numbers in general don't mean anything, so other than knowing what antenna to use, using the actual channel is silly now. Perhaps we should have them identify by center frequency? KGO 179? KRON 617? Or by pilot carrier frequency! KGO 176.31 and KRON 614.31. That will be much less confusing to the average person than 7-1 and 4-1. ;)

KCSM tried calling themselves KCSM 43, but the FCC said they had to use their analog channel number.
I don't remember why, but KCSM wasn't allowed to turn off their analog 60 signal the way so many other above-51 stations were allowed to turn off their analog signals. Other stations that turned off their analogs before PSIP was mandated by the FCC kept those channels, such as WMCN and WNVT.

Now we have messes like KDTV 14, KTNC 14, KTNC 42, KAXT 42, KAXT1, which can all be quite confusing at times.
The average person doesn't know that KTNC is on 14 or that KAXT is on 42. It's only confusing to people like us who know.

I wonder why the FCC cares about that? KBSV was analog 23 but they're using 15 now. I believe KACA was analog 61 but now use 34. Maybe this is another case where the FCC doesn't care about insignificant stations.
KACA was analog on 34 before their transition, at least according to FCC records. As such, that station should map to 34-1.

As to KBSV, for the longest time, it had no PSIP at all. But the TSReader data I have from October 2013 shows it correctly mapping to 23-1.

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Can anyone explain why two channels right next to each other would be acting so much differently from each other? Maybe whatever was affecting 9 and 10 was also causing the weirdness on channel 8. ? ? ?
My best guess is that they're at different transmitter sites which allowed this to occur under just the right conditions.

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Last I saw, KION is also carrying KMUV in 1080i on 23-1, which would mean three HD feeds on that transmitter if they put CW up in HD.
I had to do a rescan but sure enough, 23.1 is pointing at 32. Due to the mess that 23 is here, I missed that one. Does this mean KMUV isn't going to have its own transmitter and they'll just shut off the analog transmitter next year?



Channel numbers in general don't mean anything, so other than knowing what antenna to use, using the actual channel is silly now. Perhaps we should have them identify by center frequency? KGO 179? KRON 617? Or by pilot carrier frequency! KGO 176.31 and KRON 614.31. That will be much less confusing to the average person than 7-1 and 4-1. ;)
I'm sure this is fine for the average viewer who only receives stations from one market. But where I am it is a mess. Now I've got KBSV 23.1 pointing to 15.3. KEZT 23.1 points to 23.1. KMUV 23.1 points to 32.5(?). What am I supposed to do with this? Right now I have it scanned in so that 23.1 goes to KION. To see KBSV I enter 15.3. To see KEZT 23.1 I enter 22.1 because KRCB 22.1 points to 23.1. For KEZT 23.2 or 23.3 I enter 23.2 or 23.3. For KRCB I enter 22.1 when the antenna is pointed in that direction. The virtual channel system has created this mess. ;)

I have a similar mess with KBTV VC 8, RF 51. KSBW is using VC 8.1 and 8.2 so I can't get to KBTV that way. KDTV VC 14, RF 51 uses VC 14.1 - 14.3. So with the antenna pointed to KBTV I can enter 14.1 or 14.2 for KBTV 8.1 or 8.2. I can enter either 8.3 or 14.3 for KBTV 8.3 and I enter 8.4 and 8.5 for KBTV 8.4 and 8.5.



The average person doesn't know that KTNC is on 14 or that KAXT is on 42. It's only confusing to people like us who know.
I don't think it would be confusing if the stations ID'd properly. For example, KNTV ID's as KNTV 11, Cable 3 & 703. People on cable have no problem tuning to 3 or 703 for Bay Area NBC. All they'd have to do is change the ID to KNTV 11, Over-the-Air 12, Cable 3 & 703. In one day people with antennas would know to tune to 12 for Bay Area NBC.

I wonder how much stations (especially LP stations) are hurting themselves by not identifying with their virtual channel numbers? If I was running any station I'd want to make sure the ID included the virtual channel number so people would see it. OTOH, maybe most people just use the scanned in list or use the channel +/- buttons and never enter a number directly?



KACA was analog on 34 before their transition, at least according to FCC records. As such, that station should map to 34-1.
This is ancient history but KACA-LP was on 61 before KXTV started using 61 as its pre transition digital channel. KACA was forced to move.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=202957
 

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KFTY has been booming here today with an SNR of 28 dB but the link issues are so bad that most of time there is no picture. This has been going on for some time now and I wondered why. Maybe the "fix" lies in moving the station and changing the link configuration since the applications have been approved. I suppose there's no point for Keith to put time into fixing the existing problem if the station configuration is about to change.

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KFTY has been booming here today with an SNR of 28 dB but the link issues are so bad that most of time there is no picture.
Chuck
K03HY was experiencing the same problem. The station has a solid, strong signal, but there was no picture or audio, or it was total pixelation. However they're linking the stations sure isn't working! When I was tuning around last night, the station was fine, so it has to do with propagation problems.

KTNC, who had a similar problem a few days ago, seems to be okay now.

Larry

EDIT: As of 5:20 pm, K03HY has solid pictures once again. I see no signs of break up.
 

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KFTY has been booming here today with an SNR of 28 dB but the link issues are so bad that most of time there is no picture. This has been going on for some time now and I wondered why. Maybe the "fix" lies in moving the station and changing the link configuration since the applications have been approved. I suppose there's no point for Keith to put time into fixing the existing problem if the station configuration is about to change.

Chuck
Hi Chuck,

My uplink on channel 20 from Santa Rosa (near In-N-Out) to Mt. St. Helena has been having problems with channel 20 from Chico messing up our reception on the mountain. Anywave is allowing me to send in our 20 watt amplifier for our link for a 140 watt amplifier. So, I should be getting the 140 watt amplifier soon. We are allowed to input 90 watts into our uplink antenna. So, this improvement of 7 dB or so will give us more SNR for our receive receiver. When I tested the link when I first installed, I was only able to decrease the power by 5 dB before the link fell apart, so we didn't have much margin at all. Also, for our receive antennas we have stacked paraflectors offset by 1/4 wavelength with 1/4 wavelength different cable lengths. This gives 10 dB more null to the backside. I'll let you know when the new amplifier is turned on. This should clean up the drop outs. It appears that atmospheric conditions lately have been either helping Chico 20 be strong at Mt. St. Helena or for our uplink to we weaker.

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The FCC granted the application for K03IC to operate 3W from Mt. St. Helena. This is another of Keith's One Ministries stations.

I wondered why there would be a station on RF 3 while KFTY was on RF 2 from the same location? I checked KFTY and I see there is a construction permit to move KFTY to a location WNW of Sacramento at almost 1900'. It would still be 3KW omni directional but it would have very good coverage all over Sacramento.

I further wondered if I will be able to receive this. I checked the heading for KFTY and it is 294.2 degrees. Not a great direction for me. But KEZT and KBTV are on a tower in Sacramento with a nearly identical heading of 294.0 degrees. I ran a path profile for KFTY and added in a line for KEZT and KBTV. See attachment. I can receive KEZT and KBTV under favorable conditions but the biggest problem is severe co-channel interference to both of those stations. The spectrum analyzer says they're almost always strong enough to decode if it weren't for the interference. Even though KFTY is 38.4 miles farther away and therefore will lose about 4 dB due to distance, the path is better, barley 2 edge compared to 3 edges for KEZT/KBTV. I would expect that channel 2 will refract over the mountains better than UHF. Although it looks like a terrible angle from the last ridge to my antennas, it measures about 1.3 degrees, not much worse than I have to Walnut Grove now.

If Keith is still reading this, when do you expect these changes to occur?

Chuck
I'm not sure when I'll make the changes, but I'm thinking about the future and submitting applications so that I can make these changes within the next two years.

I got my new 8 channel mux, but they forgot the ASI input. I should have 12 channels up by the end of the month (4 from the Comark / Linear mux and then 8 from the Anywave mux). The last 4 subchannels will probably be "Power Point" low data rate channels with radio station audio.

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KKPX comes in fine when I use the rotor to repoint the antenna.

K03H6Y always has those breakups for me. It's actually worse than the pictures indicate. Whether I'm using the 91XG or my C5, it's the same.

I've had no luck at all picking up KFTY. I can get some stations from transmitters up north, KEMO being the furthest.
Yesterday we double-checked the orientation of the K03HY transmit antenna atop Mt. Tam and pointed it more towards San Francisco and less towards San Rafael. Let me know if this helps your reception in San Francisco. Also, the drop out issues may really have been with our uplink. We're boosting the power for our UHF uplink to fix the problem. Also, we're adding more channels. The improvements will most likely be done by the end of the month.
 

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I'm a few days late responding. I was out of town for the holiday weekend.

I also noticed that OTnA is also missing KQED 9 (30) in his list of OTA stations.

K03HY has a really strong signal here in the city. I get it at 23 dB SNR on my Sony using the C5 antenna that's aimed for best reception of KNTV. I hope it works for KTVJ, too, when it comes on the air.

Larry
Hi Larry,
What strength do you get K03HY now? Yesterday we adjusted how the transmit antenna is aimed so it should put more power over San Francisco.

Blessings,
Keith
 

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Yesterday we double-checked the orientation of the K03HY transmit antenna atop Mt. Tam and pointed it more towards San Francisco and less towards San Rafael. Let me know if this helps your reception in San Francisco. Also, the drop out issues may really have been with our uplink. We're boosting the power for our UHF uplink to fix the problem. Also, we're adding more channels. The improvements will most likely be done by the end of the month.
Just did some scans and I couldn't pick up K03HY at all on either of my antennas but I gather you are doing maintenance. I'll check back later in the month with an update. Good luck.
 

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My uplink on channel 20 from Santa Rosa (near In-N-Out) to Mt. St. Helena has been having problems with channel 20 from Chico messing up our reception on the mountain.
I didn't know you could use a TV channel for an uplink. I'll bet KCVU is very strong on Mt. St. Helena. There's also K20JX in Sacramento. I just checked KFTY and it's having problems again. We have had some wild conditions here the past few weeks.



I'm not sure when I'll make the changes, but I'm thinking about the future and submitting applications so that I can make these changes within the next two years.

I got my new 8 channel mux, but they forgot the ASI input. I should have 12 channels up by the end of the month (4 from the Comark / Linear mux and then 8 from the Anywave mux). The last 4 subchannels will probably be "Power Point" low data rate channels with radio station audio.

Blessings,
Keith

Okay. It won't changing anytime soon. I'll keep an eye out for the new channels.

Thanks for the updates.

Chuck
 
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