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I just had the displeasure of trying to find out if might be cheaper to get satellite than cable.

 

The problem is my house has a lot of Rooms and TV and

 

1. The Free hopper from Dish is a bait & switch and it will actually cost you $12 a month. So you can't even get 1 room included without paying leasing fees.

2. $7 a month for the remote viewers called " joeys"

 

The guy said I can avoid these charges by buying my own equipment which I almost did until I found out they still charge you to lease the equipment even if you own it by calling it a different name. They change the name from " lease" to " access charge"

 

Whatever, decided to call Dish and same problems except their Genie was $25 and remote units were $6.  You can buy the equipment but still have to pay a lease fee on the exact same amount but they call it something different.

 

So for my 8 TV in my house, I would have to pay $68 for equipment rentals alone before even 1 penny for service. $804 for 1 years equipment rental, $1608 in equipment rentals for 2 years.

 

I don't mind paying for the service, but the equipment lease and hidden charges are more what I find annoying and dishonest.

 

OH yeah, they in additional to the price for the package which is suppose to include HD channels, they have made up a " HD technology fee" of $10 out of thin air.

 

I wish there was some competition for programming.

 

You use to just pay for a packaged with a hook up to your house and you could put it on a splitter for all the room you wanted. Amazing what you can do when you have a monopoly and politicians in your pocket.

 

I hate comcast but I guess the satellite companies are even worse then them with the equipment rentals fees. It seem like these 3 companies are trying to leap frog one another for worse tv service company.

 

I don't know why anyone would sign up for satellite when they absolutely kill you on the equipment leasing.
 

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Don't forget that providers keep raising their per subscriber fees, not to mention requiring carrying bundles. Also, if Comcast has encrypted their channels, don't they charge for extra STB's?


Many (though obviously not all) have a choice of cable, telco (U-verse, FiOS), or the two satellite companies. As for the politicians, the government has resisted mergers such as one between the two TV satellite companies. In a pure free market system there would be no such restrictions. Some would argue that government restrictions on mergers or fees is a step toward socialism. It should be interesting to see how the Comcast / Time Warner Cable merger goes.


A growing number have decided that it's just not worth it anymore and just use OTA. In a large market there are many more channels now. Internet services, like Netflix, will continue to grow. Millennials often don't even own a TV and rely exclusively on streaming.


Yeah, the good old days of splitters on cable or shared sat boxes on a single account are fading. I guess that's progre$$.
 

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Crony capitalism to gain a semi-monopoly is not real capitalism. I read on wikipeida that Comcast spends millions of dollars on lobbies and will often hire the children of government officials as " private consultants" aka bribes in order to get political influence. Creating laws making it illegal to compete with you is crony capitalism not true capitalism which does not work in a monopoly situation but only when there is true competition. 
I have a pretty big house with 8 TV's, they told me that they can't do more than 6 tv and starting on TV #5, and TV # 6, there would be a $100 surcharge fee for these TV. Probably in response to the shared sat boxes on a single account that you were talking about.
In my college economics class, there was a practice in which 3 gas stations on a corner would never try to undercut each other and just all agree that each one will get 33.3% of the business instead of trying to offer the best pricing to gain 100% of the customers. I believe this is what is going on with Comcast, Dish and DirectTV.
Anyway, I don't like being lied to as Comcast did when they told me that the only reason they are doing the cable Boxes is because the government forced them to go digital and there is NO TV that is able to accept digital signal with out a box.
 
The truth is the reason the TV can't accept the signal is because its scrambled with encryption not that its digital. So this is a big lie on their part. Trust me, I hate comcast as much as the next guy. 
My complaint with satellite companies is that they are even worse then comcast as far as equipment leases go. 
The bait & technique they use should be outlawed. They advertised that you would get a Free Hopper as long as you subscribed to America top's 100 plus or better package.  However their so called " Free" Hopper device actually is $12 a month. When I confronted them with this lie, they said " No the hopper is Free, but the $12 is for the DVR service" When I asked if I can use it without the DVR service they said " NO, the device will be completely useless without it" So its a mandatory $12 lease fee per month.
I almost purchased my own equipment on the advice that I could avoid these monthly lease fee however what the agent failed to tell me is that they will still charge you a lease fee even if you buy your own equipment. They will just call it a " access fee" instead of a " lease fee" but it will be exactly the same rate to the penny.
The Cable companies could really do well if they would cut out these games and just do what T-mobile did to the cell phone industry and try to change the dynamic of the game by undercutting the competition.
That Elon Musk guy should launch his own satellite company using space X and put these semi-monopolies out of business by undercutting them in price. There needs to be a game changing event here.
 

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Originally Posted by moigpsrocks  /t/1524939/satellite-companies-are-horrible#post_24546414


I just had the displeasure of trying to find out if might be cheaper to get satellite than cable.


The problem is my house has a lot of Rooms and TV and


1. The Free hopper from Dish is a bait & switch and it will actually cost you $12 a month. So you can't even get 1 room included without paying leasing fees.

2. $7 a month for the remote viewers called " joeys"


The guy said I can avoid these charges by buying my own equipment which I almost did until I found out they still charge you to lease the equipment even if you own it by calling it a different name. They change the name from " lease" to " access charge"


Whatever, decided to call Dish and same problems except their Genie was $25 and remote units were $6.  You can buy the equipment but still have to pay a lease fee on the exact same amount but they call it something different.


So for my 8 TV in my house, I would have to pay $68 for equipment rentals alone before even 1 penny for service. $804 for 1 years equipment rental, $1608 in equipment rentals for 2 years.


I don't mind paying for the service, but the equipment lease and hidden charges are more what I find annoying and dishonest.


OH yeah, they in additional to the price for the package which is suppose to include HD channels, they have made up a " HD technology fee" of $10 out of thin air.


I wish there was some competition for programming.


You use to just pay for a packaged with a hook up to your house and you could put it on a splitter for all the room you wanted. Amazing what you can do when you have a monopoly and politicians in your pocket.


I hate comcast but I guess the satellite companies are even worse then them with the equipment rentals fees. It seem like these 3 companies are trying to leap frog one another for worse tv service company.


I don't know why anyone would sign up for satellite when they absolutely kill you on the equipment leasing.

With the "splitter" setup all of the TVs would get the same channel, and you can still do that if you so choose.
 

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Well if you live out of the city limits(LIKE MYSELF) you basically have 2 choices Dish or Direct TV,With all the trees and hills OTA isn't an option for me either and I can only get 3mg's via my DSL so for me it's Directv
 

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Cable may still be the best choice for the OP if he want's to invest in two 6-tiner Tivo's and 6 Mini's for the remaining rooms.

That way you only pay the cable package monthly rate plus monthly rental fee (usually $1-$2) for the two cable cards, and maybe an "additional outlet" fee ($1) for the second Tivo.

I'd run the numbers on that setup and I bet after 2-3 years you'll b on the positive side of the equation using the TiVo's ans Mini's.
 

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Or, if you want to "do it yourself", build a Windows 7 Windows Media Center HTPC/PVR based around Ceton 4-tuner or 6-tuner cards (and you can have multiple of them in one HTPC). You need one M-card from your cable company for each Ceton tuner card. You can also use Silicon Dust HDHomeRun external tuners instead of Ceton. You'll be able to record and/or "live" view pretty much any number of programs simultaneously, subject only to the maximum number of tuners you build into the HTPC.


Use your own home LAN to distribute around the house to "WMC extenders" (xBox, Ceton Echo, Linksys DMA2100) so that you can watch all programs (both copy-freely and copy-protected) on any HDTV. Up to five extenders can be active at one time, but you can install more than that. They can each watch "live" TV (if one of the individual tuners is available and not being used by another extender or in-use recording something) or a previously recorded program (which does not require a tuner).


And, you can essentially have INFINITE storage capacity for recordings, subject only to what you want to add in hard drives.


Total costs: (1) monthly M-card rental(s), plus one-time costs of (2) purchase price for one or more Ceton 4-tuner or 6-tuner cards (either internal PCIe or external USB/ethernet), (3) ethernet cabling around your house if you don't already have it, (4) as many "extenders" as you need for the HDTV's around your house, (5) HTPC equipment and adequate hard drive storage to meet your needs. Note that pretty much any Win7 machine (from modest to strong) can be turned into an HTPC as well, simply by installing the Ceton tuners and fleshing out the rest of the "required infrastructure". WMC itself is a FREE standard component of Windows 7, with 12-day GUIDE info provided by Zap2it through Microsoft nightly updates.


I did this back in early 2010 to reduce my exposure to Time Warner's incessant charges, fees, and rate increases for HDTV and DVR equipment and related services. Sure, you still have to pay for programming packages. But at least my total ongoing "equipment" charge is $2.50/month for the one M-card I have in my 4-tuner Ceton card. I also have a 2-tuner Hauppauge HVR-2250 in the HTPC for OTA/ATSC channels from my roof antenna, for local networks in better video quality than the re-compressed versions of those channels provided through TWC.


It's another alternative.
 

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I don't know why anyone would sign up for satellite when they absolutely kill you on the equipment leasing.

Most of us don't have 8 TV's. 3 or less is probably the norm. I pay $12 month for my two additional HD receivers. No charge for the main receiver.


DirecTV has the NFL package which nobody else offers.


DirecTV has better sports channels and for the golf and tennis majors extra channels of coverage that Dish and Cable don't offer.


If you're not a huge sports fan then maybe cable is better for you.
 

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+1 for Dsperber's plan. I do exactly the same thing. Saves me about $50/month in fees. Same thing using TiVo or cable or satellite DVRs would cost a fortune.


But, honestly, with an 8 TV sized house, what's a few extra bucks for a box in each room? DirecTV will put in as many boxes as you want. It's Dish that has technical hurdles to large numbers of boxes, hence the higher fees when you exceed their limits.
 
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