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Screens at CEDIA 2019

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imagic
CEDIA Expo 2019 begins on Thursday, 9/12. I'll post pictures and comments regarding projection screens at the show in this thread.

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Are we expecting any big innovations or new tech? I imagine we'll see some stuff with "8k" attached to it for marketing, but not a lot else.
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evanft said:
Are we expecting any big innovations or new tech? I imagine we'll see some stuff with "8k" attached to it for marketing, but not a lot else.
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the world of screens seems to be about incremental improvements, cost reductions for certain features, and things like masking systems and wireless motorized stuff these days.

But, the UST category is growing so maybe something there...
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A quick stop by the Stewart booth...

Luxus toller is a new mounting system... Field servicable,, servicable. Can be reverse rolled... Default motor is Alexa compatible etc.

Even high ALR screen is micro-perf!

New G4 Studiotek 130 has reduced sparkle, shown on Balon.


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Seymour-Screen Excellence has plenty of presence at CEDIA 2019 including presence in the Klispch, PCM, Trinnov and Wisdom Audio demo rooms.

I chatted with Chris Seymour about the company's largest masking system yet. I have a press release I'll get to that soon...


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Screen Innovations showed a variety of motorized screen both powered and cordless.


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Not really a screen per se, but LED video walls are big and bright and beautiful. Samsung's The Wall is not the only offering out there....


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Sony says at this show it's working on how to make CLED into a consumer product. 220", looks incredible.


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Still no EPV Darkstar9 Motorized? ;[
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Screen Innovations showed a variety of motorized screen both powered and cordless.


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If you have a chance please ask how big they are going to be offering their UST on the solo pro/solo pro2 and when they will be available. Thanks!
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If you have a chance please ask how big they are going to be offering their UST on the solo pro/solo pro2 and when they will be available. Thanks!
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Based on conversations at the show, looks like UST on Solo 2 Pro maxes out at 100" for now.
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Full press release from Stewart:


Stewart Filmscreen Debuts New Balón Edge Projection Screen With a Sleek, Modern-Looking Ultra-Thin Frame

Balón Edge Wall-Mount Screen Boasts Best-in-Class Fabric and Sizing Options, Elegant Framing, and Low Profile for Residential and Pro AV Installations

TORRANCE, Calif. — Stewart Filmscreen, the only two-time Academy Award®-winning manufacturer of professional projection screens and reference-standard projection screen materials for the audiovisual industry, today introduced the all-new Balón Edge. This new addition to the Balón series combines the best projection screen surface available with an ultra-thin frame, providing a minimalistic black border finish.

“The new Balón Edge is the perfect wall-mount screen for those who want a thinly framed projection screen,” said Mary Stewart, CEO and owner of Stewart Filmscreen. “Each Balón Edge projection screen is handmade to match your specific viewing needs and made to order for your particular venue. You know you are getting the best when you choose Stewart Filmscreen, and you’ll know this as soon as you open the box. No other company builds to the exacting quality of Stewart, and no other screen company has the breadth of screen fabrics that we do.”

Both a residential and a pro AV projection screen, the Balón Edge is ideal anywhere two-piece projection is needed. Like the original Balón Borderless, this new screen can be custom-fabricated in any size, up to 16 feet in image width — all seamless — and in any aspect ratio. The Balón Edge features a 0.4-inch border that either can be wrapped in luxurious, Velux light-deadening material that is perfect for overscan light absorption or kept minimalist as a bare-metal painted frame. Both the Balón Borderless and Balón Edge have a one-inch frame depth, keeping the screen snug to the wall.

The Balón series video projection screens feature impeccable fit and finish and offer the same unlimited fabric options customers have come to expect from Stewart Filmscreen. All of Stewart Filmscreen’s 16K+ flexible front projection screen fabrics are available for Balón Edge along with MicroPerf X2 THX Ultra and CinemaPerf screen perforation for sound transparency. LED lighting is available as an option.

The base price (MSRP) for Balón Edge is $2,913. The screen is delivered carefully rolled up in a box and packaged with the EZ Mount mounting brackets, hardware and all the instructions needed to assemble the screen. Like all Stewart Filmscreen projection screens, Balón Edge is easy to assemble and built to last.

More information is available at www.stewartfilmscreen.com.




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This high end screen companies don't really do anything for me. I mean, if you don't have some special use case (high-gain ALR, UST, etc.), then any differences in material are either going to be imperceptible or can be compensated for with calibration.
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Same here. Don’t see value in buying $1.5k+ screen. Resale value is close to nil. Wish there was something mid range, around $500-$600 mark for a 120”. Something slightly better than Silver Ticket in white or gray 4K material.
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This high end screen companies don't really do anything for me. I mean, if you don't have some special use case (high-gain ALR, UST, etc.), then any differences in material are either going to be imperceptible or can be compensated for with calibration.
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avsBuddy said:
Same here. Don’t see value in buying $1.5k+ screen. Resale value is close to nil. Wish there was something mid range, around $500-$600 mark for a 120”. Something slightly better than Silver Ticket in white or gray 4K material.
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I don't know guys, have you seen artifact free screens before? Get some samples of Seymour AVs Glacial White, Stewarts Neve and Snomatte, Da Lite's HD Progressive / Parallax. The difference between these materials and the standard pvc material(elite cinewhite, silver ticket white, etc) is drastic. The screen disappears, detail is perfect, the image is perfectly uniform. I have an Elunevision 100EL(elite cinewhite etc) and an XY Black Crystal. The 100EL has a sheen from the gain and the Black Crystal has sparkle. Both screen materials are visible under any moderate to high apl scenes, especially panning or solid colors. Both screens hotspot. The sparkle slightly obscures film grain or almost imparts a grainyness on noise free content. Now for the price, yes, these lower cost screens are very good, but artifact free materials are getting more affordable as well and becoming more and more important with more detailed content.

Elunevisions fixed frame should be close to artifact free, though I don't have samples, just going off photos from users here on AVS. That cost for a 120" is probably around $800. Or Seymours Glacial White is about $1,200 for a material you can get free samples of. I've been told to look into Severtson Screens as well but haven't had the chance to do so yet.
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@imagic Did you happen to see the EPV Darkstar UST Max? Curious if it was mostly artifact free like the darkstar 9. Very curious now that they have this if theyll have a darkstar 9 motorized.

https://epvscreens.com/product/dark-star-max-ust-fr/

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/epv-screens-makes-alr-awesome
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Projection screens conform to the price/performance curve just like other manufactured products. The best premium screens that cost the most eliminate the smallest flaws that are visible in even the best economy screens. The closer to best possible performance the steeper the rise in price. Most people look for their own personal sweet spot on the curve where they get satisfactory performance at a price they're comfortable with paying, i.e. best value.
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I don't know guys, have you seen artifact free screens before? Get some samples of Seymour AVs Glacial White, Stewarts Neve and Snomatte, Da Lite's HD Progressive / Parallax. The difference between these materials and the standard pvc material(elite cinewhite, silver ticket white, etc) is drastic. The screen disappears, detail is perfect, the image is perfectly uniform. I have an Elunevision 100EL(elite cinewhite etc) and an XY Black Crystal. The 100EL has a sheen from the gain and the Black Crystal has sparkle. Both screen materials are visible under any moderate to high apl scenes, especially panning or solid colors. Both screens hotspot. The sparkle slightly obscures film grain or almost imparts a grainyness on noise free content. Now for the price, yes, these lower cost screens are very good, but artifact free materials are getting more affordable as well and becoming more and more important with more detailed content.

Elunevisions fixed frame should be close to artifact free, though I don't have samples, just going off photos from users here on AVS. That cost for a 120" is probably around $800. Or Seymours Glacial White is about $1,200 for a material you can get free samples of. I've been told to look into Severtson Screens as well but haven't had the chance to do so yet.
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It took me years of trying cheaper screens to finally wind up with Stewart screens that I feel provide a great picture with minimal screen artifacts. 4K projection requires a very good screen to look it's best.

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I have to remind myself when people mention Alita or gits not to start rambling about Gantz:O or Red Line, about wanting an Alita budget for a live action horror of Devilman, Berserk, Claymore, or Blame. Can you imagine? and with a death/black metal soundtrack! oooo At least Ive got The Thing and From Beyond xD Getting these big budget manga movies is a real blast though. Aaand I rambled, and its off topic sorry 😕

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To show the other extreme of the spectrum to @Craig Peer I haven’t embraced 4k yet ($500 DLP) and always have made my own screen surface with some form of DIY. Here is my last mostly artifact free screen made from 4 sheets of drywall screwed to a stud wall and skim coated with drywall compound and sanded flat as a pancake, then roller painted with $20 of over the counter latex paint. The images are OTA TV from an antenna in the attic. :)

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