You cannot seem to realize what an effort that would take. I'm a working man who doesn't do mulitble tests and evaluations with multiple screen and PJs at a fixed location. I shoot examples of my work as they occur, and more often than not, they represent exactly what is before my eyes, or they don't get posted. How can that be misinterpeted?
You worry too much because you don't/can't/won't try to equalize out all the variables. If you were my Client, I'd show you screen shot examples, take you to 2-3 locations at your request, none of which would be EXACTLY the same of course, and you would have to judge for yourself, and where knowledge and experience is lacking, take the word of one who has all those attributes.
Too many people cannot do this with the simplest of decisions, which what we are discussing is not.
A lot of us, myself included at times, prefer to think that we can second guess whatever we see before us. That's fine for the individual, and sometimes necessary in the case of non-elective Brain surgery, but unless your paying for each independent diagnosis, evaluation, or demonstration, you are asking too much for too little for someone else to "convince you", from those who already gave at the office. Many times over, in fact to get to where they are.
It's understandable why Tryg would take issue, and even yourself, with anyone claiming to have "the best screen" right out of the Gate. 3 months of intensive R&D, countless screen shots, and much discussion of the results and procedures between peers doesn't fit that description. Even if that were not so, deriding one's efforts or methods, or expecting someone to present a depiction that meets YOUR specific criteria is unreasonable thing to ask of for all but those who live and breathe to create such things to post. Few if any of those make a living at making the products they evaluate, rather, they focus on telling others what THEY ascertain is Right, Wrong, or what ever lies between. If they are good at that, the become acknowledged Critics.
But that's not necessarily the best Title to strive for, and often results in making more enemies than friends. The best Critics don't care for other's opinions, only there own. And they have few friends, but plenty of Fawners.
You would have me go to the trouble to acquire the like of CMRAs camera, make a screen of exactly the same dimensions, and shoot the same scene?
Why?
To convince you of your own hypothesis? Or merely to help you to prove a point?
CMRA uses small Test panels. As many as 4 different ones across the same screen, with a background consisting of his old reliable ME. That's been done, evaluated, and decisions made based on those observations. Of course, validation by posting those comparison pic and getting effusive praise makes one feel even better.
But even with that, he's received posts dismissing his efforts out of hand.
But many more appreciated them for the effort they did require, as simplistic and basic a 'control' as they were..
But at this point, I don't feel it necessary to prove a thing. You overstate the issues. It is such a basic understanding that even in a controlled setting, one would always take MANY shots at different exposures, and distances, then select the ones that most closely reflect what's on screen. Why post the crappy shots?
What is exposure bracketing but essentially doing exactly that?
Honestly, your delivery is not to be faulted, but you still shroud your motive for asking what you do in a cover of being less experienced that others on the Forum. Then review, get educated, and then make your own evaluations, or at least do the former so you have more than your recent viewing of the offending screen shot on which to base your statements. Who knows, you might change your tune altogether, as many who have followed and digested the several hundred posts that comprise what's happening around us.
Or you might come back loaded for Bear and show exactly what it is your trying to say/prove, and convince me I'm in error.
Yeah, that can happen. If your read all the posts, you'd find that too.
Straight up, each new Poster wants it all laid out before them. "Make us a list of everything we need, and everything to do, and be sure to make it so foolproof that I cannot F- - K it up, and I'm assured that I'll get the same or better results as you did." Then they invariably add, "I hope that's not too much trouble.
My experience and word is what I live by, and what others must accept or reject. When I feel a need to justify, I do it in the way I feel best suits my methods and situation. I don't canvass for opinions, or request advice that I can ascertain for myself. that's why things HAPPEN when I move on them. AVS Forum discussions all too often breed more delay than action because opinions are like the prover able Anal Orifice. Everyone has one, they feel comfortable with it, and theirs's always smells sweetest to them.
I'm no different, only I don't show mine off or force others to accept it..., only know that I have one too, just like they do.
If SuperDeluxe wasn't sitting beside the SM/MM wall example, you'd be hard pressed to beat it in it's own right.
CMRA's cameras is a doozy, he knows how to use it, and does so with great vigor. He's been using a inexpensive LCD, I've been using more expensive DLPs for the most part, and a lessor Camera. I wan't trying to pass my shot off as better, rather the opposite, I wanted to point out how much better his same old PJ could take the same shot as I did, and look so much better. Every difference has been pointed out repeatedly, so why should precedent be given to fulfilling your request?
Much more reasonable to ask CMRA to shoot the same shot on all three of his different full size screens, on of which includes the very "Silver One-Coat" method I was comparing my original shot against.
I shoot my shots on construction sites, using a Samsung DVI out DVD and the PJ. CMRA uses a considerably more complex set up, but that never stopped me from holding my work up to his for comparison/ But will I spend to duplicate his gear when my shots are as good as they are? Hardly. His choice is his, not mine, and if anyone needs to adjust his thinking around why CMRA's shots are so good, they need look no further than to the sum of all his collective gear, and the screen being used. In my case it's more simple. I'm using a PJ and a DVD. period. What you see is what probably virtually everyone else would see as well.
Finally, and for the last time, look to all the screen shots, read all the treads, take week to do so if you must, but do so and then start to make your decisions based on the experience. Then repose your request in a manner that makes sense.
Your final request doesn't explain enough of what it is you want me to do exactly, and doesn't make sense for you to expect me to duplicate every criteria CMRA is using, excepting the screen. I have a Z2 in my possession at present, a PJ CMRA would gladly trade up to. I plan to send him either one of those or possibly a50-HD for him to shoot onto his SD. It is nonsense to move downward to a Z1 myself when better PJs are at hand.
But the real point is that IF CMRA's Z1 can produce such fine images on mere ME, better images on Silver One Coat, still better images on SuperPlex, and goes through the roof with SD, then the challenge is not for me to convince myself of SDs' validity. It's clearly apparent. But rather for you to accept anothers evaluation of thier own personal experience.
Just ask yourself, "How is it a $1250.00 PJ can keep producing decidedly better images with each different screen?"
The answer is there before your eyes.
Because the screen is doing all the work improving the image. That's all I was trying to say before, and really, despite the long post, and (..I mean this.) any unfair or unjustified assumptions I might have made of you or others in this or any previous post, that's really all I can say now.
It is for you to judge, based on EVERYTHING you can see or set before you.
