[Bsmooth]

I have a Yamaha RX-V757, smaller Paradigm Atoms as fronts ,CC-190 center and Cambridge soundworks surrounds in the rear.

Per a previous thread I am looking into getting a new HSU STF-1 0r STF-2 to replace my aging Dayton.

In a small say 10x12 with 8 ft ceiling room, what would be my best crossover setting?

Also is it beeter to set the crossover at the receiver , or at the sub itself?

 

[Secret Squirrel]



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Originally Posted by Bsmooth /forum/post/18108074


I have a Yamaha RX-V757, smaller Paradigm Atoms as fronts ,CC-190 center and Cambridge soundworks surrounds in the rear.

Per a previous thread I am looking into getting a new HSU STF-1 0r STF-2 to replace my aging Dayton.

In a small say 10x12 with 8 ft ceiling room, what would be my best crossover setting?

Also is it beeter to set the crossover at the receiver , or at the sub itself?

It is best to use the crossover in the receiver. If the sub has a switch to shut off the subs crossover turn it off. If not, then turn the crossover knob all the way up to max to bypass it. As far as what setting to use. You may have to do some trial and error listening. Some people use 80hz. I do. You may find 80hz 90hz or 100hz to work for you. There really is no set rule. This also depends on what your other speakers are capable of.

 

[Bsmooth]

Thanks SS, now I just have to see what its set at now to be sure.

 

[cnp112]

i was hoping someone might be able to explain a crossover question to me...


i have the following setup


2 x mythos one

1 x mythos three

2 x mythos two

1 x M&K MX-200

1 x Sony STR-DG800


my reciever has the capability to select "SMALL" or "LARGE" for each of the speakers...however...it only has one setting for the actually crossover frequency...


if i were to set all speakers to LARGE...what frequency would the crossover for my LFE signal be set at???


if i were to set my fronts to LARGE and all other speakers to SMALL and the crossover frequency to 100 Hz...does this mean that frequencies below 100 Hz would be directed ONLY FROM the "SMALL" speakers to the sub...

 

[cyberbri]

Yes, that's it.


If a speaker is set to Large, it plays the full range of frequencies directed to it in the audio source. If it is set to Small, the bass is re-routed to the subwoofer.


The subwoofer plays two things -- the LFE signal in 5.1 content, which can go up to 120Hz, and the re-routed bass from other speakers set to Small.


If I were you I would try a crossover setting of 80Hz and set all speakers to Small. If your mains have internal powered subs or something, you can set them to Large so they play the full signal and nothing is sent to the sub (it would be better to set to Small with a lower crossover like 40-50Hz, but it sounds like you only have one crossover setting that is applied to all channels). But by setting them to small they are still playing bass down to 80Hz and below (crossovers aren't brick walls), and that lets the speakers and receiver amps focus more on the mid-bass and higher bass.

 

[cnp112]



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Originally Posted by cyberbri /forum/post/18115926


Yes, that's it.


If a speaker is set to Large, it plays the full range of frequencies directed to it in the audio source. If it is set to Small, the bass is re-routed to the subwoofer.


The subwoofer plays two things -- the LFE signal in 5.1 content, which can go up to 120Hz, and the re-routed bass from other speakers set to Small.


If I were you I would try a crossover setting of 80Hz and set all speakers to Small. If your mains have internal powered subs or something, you can set them to Large so they play the full signal and nothing is sent to the sub (it would be better to set to Small with a lower crossover like 40-50Hz, but it sounds like you only have one crossover setting that is applied to all channels). But by setting them to small they are still playing bass down to 80Hz and below (crossovers aren't brick walls), and that lets the speakers and receiver amps focus more on the mid-bass and higher bass.

thanks cyberbri...i think i might just go with that option...80 hz crossover and all speakers set to small...


just out of curiosity though...if anyone can help with the following questions it will be much appreciated...


if i were to set all speakers to LARGE...do you know what internal crossover frequency is being applied to the LFE signal...i ask because when i set all speakers to LARGE...the crossover option on the receiver is not selectable...


also one more ?...if i set only the center channel to SMALL...and all other speakers to large and the crossover is set to 100 Hz...does this mean that if the front main speakers receive a signal for 50 Hz...that signal is ONLY output through the mains and NOT the subwoofer...or is that 50 Hz signal also directed to the subwoofer...


thanks...

 

[jpmst3]

Try to avoid going above 80Hz.


Above that the bass is localizable, meaning you can tell where it is coming from. You want to avoid that if possible. 80 or lower...

 

[cyberbri]



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Originally Posted by cnp112 /forum/post/18116523


thanks cyberbri...i think i might just go with that option...80 hz crossover and all speakers set to small...


just out of curiosity though...if anyone can help with the following questions it will be much appreciated...


if i were to set all speakers to LARGE...do you know what internal crossover frequency is being applied to the LFE signal...i ask because when i set all speakers to LARGE...the crossover option on the receiver is not selectable...


also one more ?...if i set only the center channel to SMALL...and all other speakers to large and the crossover is set to 100 Hz...does this mean that if the front main speakers receive a signal for 50 Hz...that signal is ONLY output through the mains and NOT the subwoofer...or is that 50 Hz signal also directed to the subwoofer...


thanks...

No problem.


Your first question, if all speakers are set to large, then the sub only receives the ".1" LFE signal that is encoded into 5.1 soundtracks. Meaning if you are watching something that is not specifically in 5.1 (like a music CD, or TV shows that aren't in DD), then the sub gets no signal. The LFE signal goes from 120Hz down to single digits (whether or not your sub can play those frequencies is another matter).


Second question, if mains and surrounds are set to Large and center is Small, the sub will play 1) LFE channel signal and 2) bass re-routed from center channel. Bass going to the mains only plays through the mains.


HOWEVER, some receivers have a subwoofer setting (besides on/off) that is like a bass doubler, sending the mains (or any speakers set to Large) the original full-range signal, and sending the same bass signal (below the xo point) to the sub as well. So bass is played by both. This can give you more bass because it's being played by multiple speakers/subs. But it isn't necessarily good, because it can potentially cause more problems, and pushes the receiver amp harder to drive the speakers to reproduce that bass which can eat up amp power that could be used by other frequencies (if you listen to movies or music loud). If your receiver doesn't have this option, you don't have to worry. If it does, you can weigh the options, experiment to see what works for you, and go for it.

 

[cyberbri]



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Originally Posted by jpmst3 /forum/post/18116651


Try to avoid going above 80Hz.


Above that the bass is localizable, meaning you can tell where it is coming from. You want to avoid that if possible. 80 or lower...

I agree with you on this. However, if the sub is up front near the main speakers, it's not much of an issue because the sound is coming from the general vicinity of those speakers. It becomes an issue if the sub's off in a corner or close to, next to or behind the listening position.

 

[cnp112]



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Originally Posted by cyberbri /forum/post/18116735


No problem.


Your first question, if all speakers are set to large, then the sub only receives the ".1" LFE signal that is encoded into 5.1 soundtracks. Meaning if you are watching something that is not specifically in 5.1 (like a music CD, or TV shows that aren't in DD), then the sub gets no signal. The LFE signal goes from 120Hz down to single digits (whether or not your sub can play those frequencies is another matter).


Second question, if mains and surrounds are set to Large and center is Small, the sub will play 1) LFE channel signal and 2) bass re-routed from center channel. Bass going to the mains only plays through the mains.


HOWEVER, some receivers have a subwoofer setting (besides on/off) that is like a bass doubler, sending the mains (or any speakers set to Large) the original full-range signal, and sending the same bass signal (below the xo point) to the sub as well. So bass is played by both. This can give you more bass because it's being played by multiple speakers/subs. But it isn't necessarily good, because it can potentially cause more problems, and pushes the receiver amp harder to drive the speakers to reproduce that bass which can eat up amp power that could be used by other frequencies (if you listen to movies or music loud). If your receiver doesn't have this option, you don't have to worry. If it does, you can weigh the options, experiment to see what works for you, and go for it.

thanks once again...definitely good info to have...what i am getting from all this is that its probably best to set all speakers to SMALL...so the amp doesnt have to work as hard - the 5.0 speakers will sound better because they are not working as hard and can focus on the mids/highs - and the subwoofer will handle everything else below the x-over...


i will probably get a diff receiver within a couple months as i would like to set different x-over points for each speaker...but thanks for the info...

 

[cyberbri]

No problem. Glad to help.