For those of you that saw the XV-2000 in action at Cedia, are there any of you that are able to compare the projector's performance to the SP 7205? I looks like MSRP for the Sharp is half that of the 7205. At the very least, I wonder if the 7205's pricing is set to fall, given the onslaught of considerably more inexpensive 720p projectors (DLP or LCD). Thoughts please, as I am able to get a good price (at least for Canada!) on a 7205 until the end of October.
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I spoke with a local dealer today who said that they have yet to see anything more than a press release about the Sharp 2000. Even though this unit was to ship in "mid-November", they do not have any ordering information on it.
They did not expect to see the 2000 before the beginning of next year at the earliest. That's too bad, because it sounded like a very interesting projector to check out.
Hopefully, Sharp will deliver on their announced timeframe, as I'd like to consider it in my setup. Personally, I wish that they just would have reduced the MSRP on the 12k, but that's just wishful thinking...
They did not expect to see the 2000 before the beginning of next year at the earliest. That's too bad, because it sounded like a very interesting projector to check out.
Hopefully, Sharp will deliver on their announced timeframe, as I'd like to consider it in my setup. Personally, I wish that they just would have reduced the MSRP on the 12k, but that's just wishful thinking...
Maybe they don't want to get caught up in all the excitement of the new LCD products that are coming out before knowing exactly what to allow the 2000 to be sold for. I bet they are also interested in knowing what, if anything, Benq will do in counter-offering.
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Actually, most retailers have no interest in Benq, since online vendors have made the product nearly impossible to carry in a retailer that needs to pay for the service and support they provide.
Apparently, Benq isn't interested either, as an inquiry on their web site about local dealers never garnered a response. Since their site doesn't list local dealers (why, I have no idea), the only method open to me to find out was to contact them. They ignored that inquiry, so they must be selling enough projectors without having to worry about such piddling things like customer service.
The Benq is a great price, but its throw is too short for my application anyway.
Apparently, Benq isn't interested either, as an inquiry on their web site about local dealers never garnered a response. Since their site doesn't list local dealers (why, I have no idea), the only method open to me to find out was to contact them. They ignored that inquiry, so they must be selling enough projectors without having to worry about such piddling things like customer service.
The Benq is a great price, but its throw is too short for my application anyway.
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Ok.........I'm impatient..........any news on the Sharp XV-2000? I want to order the Panny ae700 but I want to know the throw of the Sharp first. If it has a long throw (I need 17') I would like to compare it to the ae700. Anybody have a source @ Sharp?
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The datasheet for the projector lists a 1.5x powered zoom and focus system. It also shows a throw distance of 8'5"-131 for a 100" screen (in diagonal or width, don't know, but I would wager that it is diagonal based on the information below).
Unfortunately, I don't remember my source for this datasheet, but I'm sure I found it linked in these forums. I have attached it for your review.
The preliminary spec sheet that I have on file for the 12k shows that it has a 1.35x zoom, which is confirmed by the Widescreen Review review of the 12k. That spec sheet states a 13'2" - 17'9" throw for a 100" screen (which matches ProjectorCentral's calculator for a 100" diagonal screen).
From this information, it appears that the 2000 will have a shorter throw than the 12k. It does, however, put it near the same league as the BenQ 8700, which may be the model they're trying to compete against (TheFerret was on-target on this comparison).
In my case of wanting a 106" wide screen (122" diag.), that should result in a throw distance of 10'5" - 16' which isn't desirable for my room. (Did I do this calculation right?) If I placed the projector at my desired 19' distance, I'd be looking at a 125" wide screen, which is much too large for my screen wall.
For your 17' throw, you're going to need to accomodate a screen that is 113" wide (130" diag).
I was waiting around for this projector, as it seemed like a less costly alternative to the 12k (with no real basis except wishful thinking on my part), but this short throw puts it in the 2nd tier of consideration for me. Combine that with the complete lack of any tangible information on its release, availability, or further specs, and it's at the bottom of that 2nd tier.
I would have been a lot happier if they had just reduced the MSRP on the 12k down to better compete with the cheaper DLP's and the rising LCD stars (AE700 & HS51). If they had just matched the MSRP of the InFocus 7205, I'd be able to sleep at night instead of mulling throw ratios, release dates, lumen figures, and artifact trade-offs of LCD/DLP technology...
I wouldn't wait around for the Sharp 2000 if I were you. If you can see the AE700, and you're happy with it, go for it and start enjoying it!
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Unfortunately, I don't remember my source for this datasheet, but I'm sure I found it linked in these forums. I have attached it for your review.
The preliminary spec sheet that I have on file for the 12k shows that it has a 1.35x zoom, which is confirmed by the Widescreen Review review of the 12k. That spec sheet states a 13'2" - 17'9" throw for a 100" screen (which matches ProjectorCentral's calculator for a 100" diagonal screen).
From this information, it appears that the 2000 will have a shorter throw than the 12k. It does, however, put it near the same league as the BenQ 8700, which may be the model they're trying to compete against (TheFerret was on-target on this comparison).
In my case of wanting a 106" wide screen (122" diag.), that should result in a throw distance of 10'5" - 16' which isn't desirable for my room. (Did I do this calculation right?) If I placed the projector at my desired 19' distance, I'd be looking at a 125" wide screen, which is much too large for my screen wall.
For your 17' throw, you're going to need to accomodate a screen that is 113" wide (130" diag).
I was waiting around for this projector, as it seemed like a less costly alternative to the 12k (with no real basis except wishful thinking on my part), but this short throw puts it in the 2nd tier of consideration for me. Combine that with the complete lack of any tangible information on its release, availability, or further specs, and it's at the bottom of that 2nd tier.
I would have been a lot happier if they had just reduced the MSRP on the 12k down to better compete with the cheaper DLP's and the rising LCD stars (AE700 & HS51). If they had just matched the MSRP of the InFocus 7205, I'd be able to sleep at night instead of mulling throw ratios, release dates, lumen figures, and artifact trade-offs of LCD/DLP technology...
I wouldn't wait around for the Sharp 2000 if I were you. If you can see the AE700, and you're happy with it, go for it and start enjoying it!
datasheet.pdf 73.14453125k . file
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It has fallen, effective today - YMMV.
| Originally posted by Tangram At the very least, I wonder if the 7205's pricing is set to fall, |
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I heard rumors that it fell from $8999 to $6999 MSRP today, but I can't confirm it at this point. And since the XV-2000 is still nowhere to be found, the rumor makes the 7205 that much more attractive.
| It has fallen, effective today - YMMV. |
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BigScreen,
Thank you for the info!
So I guess I'm REAL close ............I need 17' from screen to lens. My screen is 110" 16x9.
I was just hoping for a DLP pj that could compete with the ae700 LCD. Not that LCD is wrong for me, I just prefer the DLP technology. I don't mind paying more for DLP, just a 720p DLP that is "affordable."
Thank you for the info!
So I guess I'm REAL close ............I need 17' from screen to lens. My screen is 110" 16x9.
I was just hoping for a DLP pj that could compete with the ae700 LCD. Not that LCD is wrong for me, I just prefer the DLP technology. I don't mind paying more for DLP, just a 720p DLP that is "affordable."
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It's pretty standard practice to see a price drop in advance of new models or competitive pressure. I doubt they build more than 50 or 100 per month, so I doubt they're sitting on a large stash, they probably just want to sell more.
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50-100/month? That's 600-1200 units/year. How can the Infocus achieve 'most sold' status previous purported on AVS by making so few units? Joel, where did you get this 50-100 figure?
| Originally posted by Alimentall It's pretty standard practice to see a price drop in advance of new models or competitive pressure. I doubt they build more than 50 or 100 per month, so I doubt they're sitting on a large stash, they probably just want to sell more. |
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I hope you check with one of the AVS sales staff regarding the Sharp 12K. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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| originally posted by BigScreen If they had just matched the MSRP of the InFocus 7205, I'd be able to sleep at night instead of mulling throw ratios, release dates, lumen figures, and artifact trade-offs of LCD/DLP technology... |
I hope you check with one of the AVS sales staff regarding the Sharp 12K. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Sorry to move somewhat off topic again, but the price drop rumor has tweaked my interest.
The rumor is that the MSRP for the IF 7205 has dropped to something like $6,999.xx. I was just on the Toshiba web site, and the MSRP for the MT-800 (the 7205 equivalent, but in white, the color of my theatre's ceiling tiles) is still listed as $9,999.xx.
Any rumors going around the circuit about the MT-800 also being reduced in MSRP?
Thanks.
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The rumor is that the MSRP for the IF 7205 has dropped to something like $6,999.xx. I was just on the Toshiba web site, and the MSRP for the MT-800 (the 7205 equivalent, but in white, the color of my theatre's ceiling tiles) is still listed as $9,999.xx.
Any rumors going around the circuit about the MT-800 also being reduced in MSRP?
Thanks.
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