[P Caulfield]

TI has finally done it thanks to NEC.


NEC has come out with a compact Cinema dlp 30 inches long, by 13.3 inches high ny 24 inches wide, it blew away the SONY SRX-R110, which SONY claims is a product 90% devloped.


The sony suffers from all the non linearity anomalies of a poorly calibrated gen 2 DILA.


The STARbeam IS8 projector on the other hand looked fabulous, plus it uses $1k Xenon bulbs in 2, 4, 6, and 8 Kilolumens.


I have been pissed off at TI's slow progress for a long time, it took SONY to kick their derierres into gear. Projected price with 1.45 to 1.8 lens , $80K.


Most likely the Runco proto a cedia. Gentlemen the search is over.

 

[Ohlson]

Is it fair to compare a product with a prototype. Even products can have a poor calibration. We should expect it to take some time for Sony to get it right by your account. Still they have the upper hand with 4k. The fact that the DCI standard is 4096x2160 says it clearly, the future is 4k. Sony is going with a resolution that can stand for a long time. 2k is certainly by all account very good for now but I can not see it as a standard for the future..


As I see it ultimately TI has to find a 4k solution and Sony has to develop 4k upto standards and provide for a way to provide the lumens for the really big screens.

 

[Chris Dallas]

I think this war will be won by Sony, just like they'll win the Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war.


Let's face it, they've just spent $5 billion for MGM acquiring 4100 additional titles & they've bought out Colombia & Tristar way back in 1989 with what, adding about 10,000 more titles? Sony is no longer in a fight to lose like they did in the Beta war regardless of what it is, they are a powerhouse & can take on anybody.

 

[Tryg]

In all due respect Mr Caulfield I'm a little bit skepticle when someone with 2 posts comes out and states such subjective information. Do you have an independent published source that shares these same viewpoints?


Secondly are you a DLP dealer or work for TI in any capacity?


From what i've seen NO DLP matches the image I've seen on the Qualia. Its hard to imagine their SONY would present their Digital Cinema projector for a shootout before the wrinkles were ironed out.

 

[W.Mayer]

i can compare in jan.

2005 the is 8 and the qualia.

digital projecton will ship me one is8 and i can compare it side by side

to my qualia.

i also will compare both units to my 3 chip 1280x1024 dlp from dpi.

lets see if the search is really over.

lets also see if the dlp bugs are gone.

lets see if and which company may spend a adaptive iris for the unit to boast the cr.to may 8000:1 or more.

lets see if and which company will have hdcp.

and

and

and...............

 

[Palladin]

Sony itself has claimed that the unit at this time is only 90% functional, as opposed to the last round when it was only 50% functional


Think I'll wait for KWhite to report back from the demo in Mid-November, before coming to any conclusions.


___________________________________________

Palladin


Chance favors the prepared mind

 

[Ohlson]

W.Mayer

Are you pulling away from the 4k Sony plan in anticipation of a delay in a finsihed product?

Knowing you like brightness the is8 seems like a sure bet vs Qualia.


Considering that is8 is a finished product is it not unrealistic to hope for an adaptive iris with that one. For a new version of Qualia it is highly probable since they have the technology in hs50.

 

[W.Mayer]

no

i just like to test both units and decide after.

when i buy such extrem expensive unit i must be very very sure that this pr. is it for a least some years.

i read that christy have a new 2 k dlp very small and this unit is the first

that can display 150 frames/sec.

the barco dp 100 will get soon a upgrade to display at least 120hz.

thats makes it possible to use only 1 unit for 3 d in shutter.(min.60 hz/eye=120hz to be flicker free almost)

and you know my final goal is 3 d.

for that i need normally 2 pr. but with shutter and dlp i need only one.

the is 8 have no adaptive iris as well the christy.

 

[Ohlson]

W.Mayer

You mention that some 3-chip dlps do very high frame rates. However must they not sacrifice bit depth at such high frame rates?

Or do they have a faster interface to the chip that makes it possible to increase frame rate without losing bit depth?

 

[Andrikos]

Quote:

Originally posted by Tryg ...and states such subjective information...

How does the saying go?

The pot calling the kettle black? LOL!

Tryg, the paragon of objectivity!




PS It's sceptical not scepticle...

 

[noah katz]

"It's sceptical not scepticle"


Right, a skepticle is a small eyepiece used to examone items with dubious claims

 

[P Caulfield]

Human beings process information 90% visually. You can post 15 thousand times in this forum, or be the official Cedia Photographer, and yet you can let loose a polinesian native in ShowEast and he will make a better pick, than most people that live up north. There just isn't the necessary dynamic range to sample those colors in nature. Period. All you need to know good video is some exposure to vistas as seen in the pacific ocean.


All those famous northern European can theorize here all they want, and they can measure and calibrate, but even then, As a former crew member of a vessel, I can tell you most categorically that the fit and finish and the image of the new NEC blew away the SONY.


The SONY will "NEVER" be sold to custom home theater SONY channels, PERIOD. As per Tom Myckietyn. A 11 inch fan house has now been attached permanently to the original design, this thing is getting longer than a Hawaiian surfboard.


As to my relation to TI, yeah I am no longer an enemy of it's technology.


The SONY does not have any form of iris, black levels are much higher than the QUALIA. It takes 4.5 hours to upload a full 4k movie 10.5 terabytes. Compressed it will be 3.


If you want to feed a 4k source you will have to run 4 HDSDI or 4 Analog components. What they were doing, but one of the four input boards got loose or something so after the 4 hour wait , 25% of the image would have been missing. Needless to say the matchbook cover attached with duct tape to the lens to fix some severe flare ray issue, did not add to the credibility of this effort,


The SONY thing was quite mediocre from a lack of calibration no doubt.


The NEC has 2 HDSDI, 2 DVI HDCP enabled, and a wifi card slot for control.


You can interchange bulbs between, 2,4,6,and 8 thousand lumens types, it has Cine Palette, Canvas Palette, and CineBlack. Whatever these things are this is the Qualia Killer.

 

[Ohlson]

Paul

It sounds like the prototype had issues. Still the technology should be fundmentally the same as in Qualia. Thus in time there will be a working 4k sxrd for digital cinema. I like that so that TI does not stop the progress.


Suddenly you are comparing a digital cinema unit to a home theater projector, how come?


Also Sony is working on Laser SXRD. That could solve the brightness problem and might allow the projection system to reach perhaps 3000:1.

 

[Andrikos]

P Caufield,

tell us more about yourself. The info you're presenting is quite unique and interesting.

Also, what is the NEC cinema unit model name?

 

[Jerry Pease]

this might be an interesting thread.

 

[odyssey]

Quote:

The NEC has 2 HDSDI, 2 DVI HDCP enabled, and a wifi card slot for control.

I don't think that HDCP is currently supported. What is your source for this information? The electronics for this part of the projector is supplied by TI...the so called common parts for all the 2K digital cinema models. The chipset can support HDCP, but TI has chosen not to do it.

 

[Tryg]

P Caulfield,


Doesn't it look a little suspicious that somone comes out of the blue(with zero information in their profile) and on their 2nd post has such revelations about a product that simply turns everything on end?


Secondly, you sound like you are arguing against a technically superior product and that less resolution etc is better. This simply makes no sense unless you have some hidden agenda.


Thirdly if human being can process 90% of things visually could you please explain if this DLP unit has solved the dithering issues, studdery pans and lack of shadow detail at the low end that is inherent in DLP? Also, how did it compare to the duct taped together Sony in these areas?


Fourthly. Why would Sony market this to the home? It's a dCinema projector.


Also your argument about the import board??????? what if a tire on a Fararri gets a flat. Does that mean the car is a piece of junk?


Fifthly why would the sony need to change bulbs? I assume it uses a Xenon bulb. should have at least a hundred different brightness settings.



I think its obvious you either have some agenda or that you want to spew some effluvium that's been building up in your system. Either way, I'm not sure how your information has helped anyone.

 

[robena]

Quote:

Originally posted by odyssey I don't think that HDCP is currently supported. What is your source for this information? The electronics for this part of the projector is supplied by TI...the so called common parts for all the 2K digital cinema models. The chipset can support HDCP, but TI has chosen not to do it.

Odyssey is right: no HDCP described here .

 

[W.Mayer]

All those famous northern European can theorize here all they want, and they can measure and calibrate, but even then, As a former crew member of a vessel, I can tell you most categorically that the fit and finish and the image of the new NEC blew away the SONY.



P Caulfield

may you not read my posting.

so one more copy for you.


" i just like to test both units and decide after.

when i buy such extreme expensive unit i must be very very sure that this pr. is it for a least some years"


i have no problem to go with a dlp also not with the is8 if it is the best solution for me.

i sit 1,25 times the screen wide and may i can see pixels from the 2 k dlp.

so i not will order it.

if i can see the false contour bug as i can see them with my blacklight 4000 i not go to purchase it.(btw the blacklight 4000 is also made by nec!)


i have the latest spec. from digital projecton and they say that the have no hdcp.you sure about your statement. if yes fine a good news!!!

also 96hz was the max frame rate.any change?

do you have more informations?

fine share it here with us at this forum.

and don't forget.

i HAVE a 3 chip professional 1280x1024 dlp with xenon for the last 2 years.

i know where are the + points and as well where are the - points from dlp!!!

i have over the last 20 years ALL major display technologies

at my cinema.

one of them 3 years back was a double stack g 90 9" crt.

so i know a little bit what is a good or bad picture.

and yes ther are also - points from the sony like the inputs and......

so let see and wait.


please note that beside all the typical forum talk there are "some" very very well informed people in this forum and they are love to get news.

thats one part of the hobby.

 

[Art Sonneborn]

Wolfgang,

You have a problem few have, you want a 20' wide screen without compromises( or very few). You have been kind to share a little about your theater in progress with me, which will surely represent one of the best in the world in a home. That size screen looks like perhaps that something like the coming Runco three chip would be good. Surely they will have the issues regarding it being compatible with what we can run into it worked out well. Are you planning on using a single Qualia until one of these other solutions matures ?


Art