[Andy Murto]

I’m ordering the JVC NX5 and can’t decided on the screen. I’m considering both the white (1.1 gain) and gray (1.0 gain) 2.35 127” screen. Anyone have experience with these? It’s a light controlled room but we’ll occasionally have the rear recessed lights dimly lite.

 

[bdht]

just in case, light controlled also means the room is non reflective. If it isnt consider alr screens. If it is, a good budget artifact free or at least close to it material is the seymour glacial white a little bit more than silver ticket or budget screens but youre using an nx5 so consider a good screen. The next step up would be Stewart's snomatte or dalite hd Progressive for quite a bit more.
http://www.seymourav.com/screens.aspttp://www.seymourav.com/screensfixed.asp

 

[Andy Murto]

BDHT: the room will be painted a darker gray (egg shell). I’ve actually considered Seymour screens. I really like their manual masking panels but with everything going over budget on the house I was trying to keep it down on the screen. With a sub $400 price point on the Silver Ticket I could always replace the screen at a later date.

 

[m0j0]

I have a Silver Ticket matte white 1.1 gain screen in a fully light controlled room with a Sony vw695es and it looks great. I am considering upgrading to a Cima Neve screen in the future, but can easily recommend the Silver Ticket if you are on a budget.

 

[bdht]

A good way to test the screen/rooms black capability is to put some white paper and black paper on the screen wall, and shine a light(like your phones flashlight) at the screen with something to cast a shadow on the screen. If the shadow over the white paper is as black as the black paper than use a white screen.

Another good budget option for imperfect rooms is xy screens black crystal. though its a darker material so you need to consider screen size and the projectors light output.

But using a budget matte white or xys screen for a while isnt a bad option and lets you familiarize yourself with the ins and outs of projection while you consider a more expensive and artifact free screen.

 

[markmon1]

I’m ordering the JVC NX5 and can’t decided on the screen. I’m considering both the white (1.1 gain) and gray (1.0 gain) 2.35 127” screen. Anyone have experience with these? It’s a light controlled room but we’ll occasionally have the rear recessed lights dimly lite.

The white silver ticket screen will be good as a budget screen. Avoid the grey one. If you have good light control in the room meaning the lights go off and there's no light, you'll be fine. You can improve your ANSI contrast by removing reflections, but the on/off contrast will be just as good either way and that's where JVC shines best. When the screen goes pure black, there's no light to reflect onto the screen. Reflections hit you worse on brighter scenes than darker scenes. I'm not saying they're unimportant, but it's a common misconception that a room with good light control that didn't treat reflections cannot have good black floor performance. It can.

 

[ProjectionHead]

I’m ordering the JVC NX5 and can’t decided on the screen. I’m considering both the white (1.1 gain) and gray (1.0 gain) 2.35 127” screen. Anyone have experience with these? It’s a light controlled room but we’ll occasionally have the rear recessed lights dimly lite.

I would advise not getting any Silver Ticket screen with that projector. They (along with many other economy brands) use the phrase 4K/UHD "Ready".

I don't really understand what they are trying to claim, because their surfaces will not resolve a square 4K pixel due to the textured nature of those surfaces.

Will the image look good with your NX5 and a Silver Ticket Screen? Probably. Will it look as good as it would on a proper, textureless 4K surface? Absolutely not.

As expected, the price of a legit 4K screen is higher than that of a "ready" screen. The same holds true for projectors as well; you pay more for the higher resolution, contrast, etc.

Silver Ticket is only sold on Amazon (as far as I know) and has a tremendous amount of positive reviews there. They are also highly endorsed by many "Amazon Affiliate" sites such as WireCutter and others who make commissions on referring people to Amazon.

I have no doubt that there are many satisfied ST customers and on 1080p their product is totally appropriate. When you get to 4K however there is a very obvious difference in quality when going side by side with a textureless surface.

I just did a quick search on Amazon reviews for a ST screen with keyword "4k" and the first result echos what I just said about texture.

Here is a link with some more info on textured/textureless surfaces:

https://www.projectorscreen.com/blog/HD-Projection-Surfaces-Explained

 

[bdht]

Reflections hit you worse on brighter scenes than darker scenes. I'm not saying they're unimportant, but it's a common misconception that a room with good light control that didn't treat reflections cannot have good black floor performance. It can.

But isnt that when its important? A white screen in a white room will look black when its pitch black but the second theres 1-2% adl that black screen becomes white with the rest of the room.

Whereas a nonreflective room or even a less reflective room with a low gain or alr screen can hit black in a 90% adl scene.

With high apl scenes I can just barely hit the black of the screen masking in my room on an alr screen(dark grey with .8 gain), with 4' of black fabric on the ceiling, 2' of fabric on either side of the screen, the room has dark paint, white ceiling and offwhite floor, and lots of dark furniture. It's a small room(12x15) though, so light really gets thrown around.

 

[Andy Murto]

ProjectionHead, thanks for the feedback. I’ll definitely look into a few other options. Are you familiar with Seymour screens?

 

[ProjectionHead]

ProjectionHead, thanks for the feedback. I’ll definitely look into a few other options. Are you familiar with Seymour screens?

Familiar to a degree, but much more familiar with Stewart, SI and Da-lite 4k+ options. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss in more detail

 

[andyng]

Familiar to a degree, but much more familiar with Stewart, SI and Da-lite 4k+ options. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss in more detail

PM you with some question

 

[Eggmanslc]

But isnt that when its important? A white screen in a white room will look black when its pitch black but the second theres 1-2% adl that black screen becomes white with the rest of the room.

Whereas a nonreflective room or even a less reflective room with a low gain or alr screen can hit black in a 90% adl scene.

With high apl scenes I can just barely hit the black of the screen masking in my room on an alr screen(dark grey with .8 gain), with 4' of black fabric on the ceiling, 2' of fabric on either side of the screen, the room has dark paint, white ceiling and offwhite floor, and lots of dark furniture. It's a small room(12x15) though, so light really gets thrown around.

andyng - sounds like you will have a room comparable to mine. Not a totally reflection free environment with some lighter colors here and there. Sounds like you use an ALR screen. Which screen do you have? Have you considered a white screen? Or you plan on sticking with your ALR screen for the purpose you mentioned - getting as close as possible to reference black. I currently have a Firehawk screen in an unfinished basement. I've thought I should consider "upgrading" to a white screen as I finish my basement but every time I look at a sample of something compared to my Firehawk, yes, brighter whites, but I can't get that deep black I've grown accustomed to.

This is also the number one issue that prevents me from going to an AT screen.

 

[SteveS78]

I would advise not getting any Silver Ticket screen with that projector. They (along with many other economy brands) use the phrase 4K/UHD "Ready".

I don't really understand what they are trying to claim, because their surfaces will not resolve a square 4K pixel due to the textured nature of those surfaces.

Will the image look good with your NX5 and a Silver Ticket Screen? Probably. Will it look as good as it would on a proper, textureless 4K surface? Absolutely not.

As expected, the price of a legit 4K screen is higher than that of a "ready" screen. The same holds true for projectors as well; you pay more for the higher resolution, contrast, etc.

Silver Ticket is only sold on Amazon (as far as I know) and has a tremendous amount of positive reviews there. They are also highly endorsed by many "Amazon Affiliate" sites such as WireCutter and others who make commissions on referring people to Amazon.

I have no doubt that there are many satisfied ST customers and on 1080p their product is totally appropriate. When you get to 4K however there is a very obvious difference in quality when going side by side with a textureless surface.

I just did a quick search on Amazon reviews for a ST screen with keyword "4k" and the first result echos what I just said about texture.

Here is a link with some more info on textured/textureless surfaces:

4K / UHD Projection Surfaces Explained

This is an interesting post. I have been looking at upgrading my screen to an Elite Screens Aeon Cinegray 3D ALR screen. I realize the Silver Ticket screen is only advertised as a "4K Ready" screen based on your post. I just double checked the page at Amazon for the Elite Screens Cinegray screen and lists it as a 4K/8K Ultra HD screen and also lists it as an HDR screen. It doesn't list it as being "ready" anywhere in that verbiage. Will that one be fully sufficient for a brand new 4K projector like a JVC or Epson?

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[ProjectionHead]

The cinegrey 3D is textured as well and will have the same issue. Elite only has a couple surfaces that are textureless and those are found only in their. Ore expensive ProAv line and EPV line.
Their cinegrey 5D has less texture then the less expensive 3D.
I don’t even know what they could mean as an HDR screen. Seems to just be keyword stuffing....
Unfortunately Amazon is not the place to go for valid information regarding screens. I’d suggest checking with a local dealer or projector screen specialty website.

 

[SteveS78]

The cinegrey 3D is textured as well and will have the same issue. Elite only has a couple surfaces that are textureless and those are found only in their. Ore expensive ProAv line and EPV line.
Their cinegrey 5D has less texture then the less expensive 3D.
I don’t even know what they could mean as an HDR screen. Seems to just be keyword stuffing....
Unfortunately Amazon is not the place to go for valid information regarding screens. I’d suggest checking with a local dealer or projector screen specialty website.

Is it true that the reason the Cinegray 3D is a textured surface is because of the gain that it is designed to have? and in order to go with a texture free screen surface you have to get away from the ambient light rejecting variety? Or do any manufacturers make texture free ambient light rejecting gray screens now? Of so, what is a good budget friendly one?

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[ProjectionHead]

Textured surfaces served a purpose with lower resolution/larger pixels. They are also less expensive to manufacture.
There are textureless ALR surfaces as well as textureless grey (non alr) materials as well. Not sure what you would consider "budget friendly", but here is an example assortment from least to most expensive with 4k+ ALR screens in 120" diagonal fixed frame

For non ALR grey screens, SI has a Pure Gray or Solar Gray option and Stewart has their Tiburon surface

 

[SteveS78]

Textured surfaces served a purpose with lower resolution/larger pixels. They are also less expensive to manufacture.
There are textureless ALR surfaces as well as textureless grey (non alr) materials as well. Not sure what you would consider "budget friendly", but here is an example assortment from least to most expensive with 4k+ ALR screens in 120" diagonal fixed frame:


For non ALR grey screens, SI has a Pure Gray or Solar Gray option and Stewart has their Tiburon surface:

Why does that first Grandview ALR screen have a gain of only 0.4? I thought the higher gains were specifically for ALR? With the lower the gain, the less ALR it is..

Also, what is the difference between a gray ALR screen and a white ALR screen? I always assumed that ALR screens were darker in color by design (examples being Elite's Cinegray and also a Black Diamond).

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[joewhite]

I'm probably getting an NX5 soon, as well. Our room is not a dedicated theater, but a general purpose rec room, light paint, but with plantation shutters that do a good job of making it dark.

Looking for a 120" motorized screen to drop down for movies and bingewatching, keeping the old plasma for other viewing.

Have gotten 3 bids featuring Screen Innovations 3 Series with Slate 1.2, one with HTS (?) 1.3, and one with Dragonfly(???). Following this thread to see what else y'all think are worth considering.

 

[ProjectionHead]

Why does that first Grandview ALR screen have a gain of only 0.4? I thought the higher gains were specifically for ALR? With the lower the gain, the less ALR it is..

Also, what is the difference between a gray ALR screen and a white ALR screen? I always assumed that ALR screens were darker in color by design (examples being Elite's Cinegray and also a Black Diamond).

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The Grandview ALR you are looking at is specifically for UST projectors; those should have between .4-.6 for best performance with those types of projectors. Some of the ones advertised at 0.6 produced no brighter of an image than we saw with the Grandview 0.4 in our tests.

When it comes to regular ALR; the most common ones we work with are the Firehawk 1.1 from Stewart and the Slate 1.2 from SI. SI has a Slate 0.8 but the 1.2 is far more common. SI also has the Black Diamond in both 1.4 and 0.8 and the 1.4 is the more popular of the two, for us.

There really are no ALR White screens; ALR surfaces are usually grey/dark grey when looking at them straight on. AS you angle them (they work on a principle called angular reflectivity) you will see the surface appear to change shades from very dark to very light.

 

[ProjectionHead]

I'm probably getting an NX5 soon, as well. Our room is not a dedicated theater, but a general purpose rec room, light paint, but with plantation shutters that do a good job of making it dark.

Looking for a 120" motorized screen to drop down for movies and bingewatching, keeping the old plasma for other viewing.

Have gotten 3 bids featuring Screen Innovations 3 Series with Slate 1.2, one with HTS (?) 1.3, and one with Dragonfly(???). Following this thread to see what else y'all think are worth considering.

Slate 1.2 is a great option in a motorized screen; I've never heard of a surface called HTS - is that quoted to you on the Series 3?

You may also want to check out Stewart's Firehawk 1.1 as another great ALR available on a motorized screen.

Dragonfly is the house brand for SnapAV - you won't find them online anywhere and that is why installers often suggest it.