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A full disclosure before I begin:


I purchased the 300+ last November and had to go through three (!!) projector replacements due to flickering problems. The third projector had gone a lamp replacement, which sadly did not solve the problem. Though I have said in the past that the 300+ picture quality is superb, the flickering was a real problem. I had a chance to switch to the Maramtz 12S2 but found, after a direct comparison, that the "replacement hassle" is not worth it, as the differences I saw were very subtle.


A few days ago I had a chance to compare the 300+ side by side with the 10K.


I now own the 10K!!


Set-Up


Though I did some A/B comparisons in the past, I would call this one the most accurate of them all.

Each projector was connected to a separate DVD, the Panny RP-91, both players running in Interlace.

Each projector had an identical set of component cables, The Silver Serpent by Better Cables.

We used double copies of DVD films, among them are: Moulin Rouge, Vertical Limit, 5th Element and Fellowship of the ring.

Both projectors were calibrated with Avia.

Both projectors were projecting on a FireHawk 106" diagonal screen.

We switched between them, while placing a dark cloth on the lens.

Through out the test, the Sharp was in its High Contrast mode, and save mode off.

4 attendees, among them, 2 Sim 300+ owners, 1 novice and a die hard CRT guy.


All 4 were unanimous in the following:


Build Quality


The first thing that was asked by the 300+ owner, who never saw the Sharp (or the 9K), was why is the Sharp so big compared to the Sim. The difference in size between the 2 is overwhelming. The Sharp is not running for any beauty contest that's for sure, but it has the feel and weight of a tank. The Sharp unlike the Sim, has manual zoom and focus, which kind of troubled me after getting used to the electrical zoom and focus found on the Sim. Both have manual lens shift, but applying it is much easier on the Sharp and it has a feeling of powered steering wheel, while on the Sim, one has to apply some pressure.

Both projectors, surprisingly, were not far in terms of throwing distance and the Sharp seemed more flexible in that regard.


On screen display/ Tweaking


the Sharp wins this category big time. The OSD is very friendly while allowing the user to tweak practically anything. It seems that Sharp had taken the service menu found in the 9K and transported it to the 10K user menu. The Sim is quite disappointing in that regard, and the tweaking options compared are quite limited.


Black level


Or should I say Grey level, as Blacks don't really have any kind of levels, it's either Black or a shade of Grey. Anyhow, it was evident that the Sharp's Grey's were darker then the ones on the Sharp and details that were hard to see on the Sim (Fellowship of the ring) were easily spotted on the 10K. The curtains behind Nicole in "Moulin Rouge" displayed textures on the 10K, which were not visible on the Sim.


Contrast


Once more the Sharp had an edge. The black leather coat Denzel was wearing on "Training day" looked inky black compared to the Sim. The whites on Toy story dark background really jumped out while looking kind of faded on the 300+.

Overall the 10K had a deeper picture which had a 3D look to it. The Sim while displaying very good Greys and contrast came very close, but not close enough.


Brightness


I have no problem with the 300+ brightness and all the talk that's been on the forum on how dim the 300+ is , were very odd form the place I was sitting. In fact when this evaluation began there was light outside which was not fully controlled in my living room. At that point the Sim 300+ had an advantage in brightness over the Sharp's High contrast mode. Changing the Sharp to high Brightness mode resulted in a brighter picture which was a tad brighter then the Sim. Once it was dark outside and the testing room was completely controlled, both projectors (Sharp returning to H. Contrast mode) had equal brightness.

It should be noted that the H. contrast mode can be viewed only under total light control.


Deinterlacing/Scaling


This was one of the biggest differences between the above projectors. Though the Sim is using the Pixelworks/Faroudja combo, which is considered one of the best, Sharp's own propriety engine blew it clear away. This was very clear in all the tests we did. The sharp had smooth, artifact free picture , while the Sim, compared, displayed some artfifcats and a picture which had a slight digital look to it.


Optics


Clearly Sharp had put some thought into this. At one time, the other 300+ owner, said that this was an unfair comparison due to the Sim being out of focus. In accordance, both of us walked to the screen to check this out with Sim's electrical focus. To our surprise the Sim's focus was dead on, it just did not look as Sharp as the 10K.


Color


This was very surprising for me. One of the biggest reasons for not switching to the 12S2 at the time was the superior color rendition the 300+ had over the Marantz. But this was not the case with the 10K. As a past owner of the 9K I had some "trouble" with Sharp's Reds and Greens, but clearly Sharp's engineers got there act together, and the color palette is truly superb. I would call this a tie, though the CRT guy favoured the 10K in that regard.


Conclusion


A while back I had a chance to compare the 300+ with the Marantz 12S2. Though I had flickering with the 300+, I felt that the 12S2 is not really an upgrade. On the other hand after comparing the 300+ with the Sharp, and witnessing the CLEAR advantage the Sharp had on all fronts, I was ready to go through this replacement procedure which was not easy to say the least.

As a past owner of the 9K, I am happily returning to Sharp.


Ran
 

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I to purchased the 10k because of pq and many other things. I demoed at home and went to stores and looked and listened and looked and listened and looked and listened for many months to come to the conclusion that the 10k was better than anything in its price range. I now own the 10k also but after a couple hours of viewing it has gotten louder with a whine. On another post there have been people reporting this too. I still wouldn't trade it for the others though as all of them are still louder than the 10k. I just don't know why it would get louder and develop the whine. That is my only complaint with the 10k. Also I own the panny 91. Do you recommend running it in progressive from the 91 or interlaced?
 

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Ran: Thanks for another great review! I saw the Sharp 10K on a Firehawk and REALLY liked it, so not surprised.


I have a slightly OT question. I currently have an older Panasonic RV 80 feeding interlaced to my NRS. You may recall that at the time the RV 80 was considered by far the best of the reasonably priced players for use in interlaced mode.


I noticed you're using the RP91. I'm wondering if you have any experience with both and would know whether the RP91 would be a significant improvement either in picture or sound to the RV 80 when also operated in the interlaced mode. Can't seem to get anyone on the DVD hardward forum to answer this question. Thanks.


Anyone else who can answer this question, please feel free to chime in!


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Ran:


Way to go! I've followed your saga thru this forum for the past year. I recently upgraded to a Sharp 10000 from a 9000 and agree that it is a significant upgrade. The only bummer for me right now is my 10000 is in for repair due to a horizontal banding problem that it developed (see my other post from a couple of days ago). I've gone back to the 9000 (with a new bulb) and although it is great, the 10000 is indeed better. I agree that the deinterlacing on the 10000 is much better. Did you notice an improvment in "temporal dithering" as well? I think there are some marked improvements in this regard with the 10000.


In terms of interlaced vs progressive DVD input, I've tried both and still prefer the picture with progressive input. For some reason the picture seems a little brighter with better colors (yes, either way is optimized with a test disc). I do see a little more "ghosting" around dark, vertical lines when in progressive compared to interlaced input, however, mostly noticeable on test patterns. BTW, I'm using a Panasonic XP30 for DVD. I've had a RP91 but not a RV80 in my system. I think the XP30 outperforms the RP91 in terms of picture. I don't use DVD audio so cannont comment on that.


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Ran - glad to see you got your situation happily resolved.


Now that you're getting settle in with the Sharp 10K you may want to start looking at tweaking its grayscale. I've found its grayscale to be shifted towards red. After some very informative posts I've learned that this is likely due to the Sharp 10K running out of green (greens are crushing) at the point where brightness and contrast are set ideally.


This means that contrast needs to be set below its optimal level in order not to crush greens and have the color shift. I'll be dong more experiments tonight and will post the results. See my recent posts titled something like 'why is increasing contrast result in red at higher IREs?' and 'The Official Sharp 10000 calibration thread' for more details and my upcoming results.
 

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Hi Ran,


seems like similar words I had before when doing my review on the 300+ lol...I knew you'd like the Sharp better.


I am also a proud owner of a 10000, which BTW also kicks the SX-21's butt (another thread I started hehe) and I haven't seen anything like it yet. HD is truly AMAZING on this PJ & I have seen HD on many other HD2's as well & cannot come to the same conclusion with HD material as I do with the Sharp. Colors, detail, CR, PQ all ahead of the others.


Hope you enoy it & welcome aboard!
 

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Ran, nice review - I enjoyed reading it.

I am a NEC CRT owner. Did the CRT person of your group make any other comments comparing the overall PQ of the 10K to his CRT? What CRT does he own and is he/she using an HTPC?

Thanks again.
 

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I have the 300 and I’m happy with it but I am looking into other options. Seleco once lead the pack but it’s now outdated in many regards. It’s the only DLP still using the 120 watt bulb. Confirmed in this thread new adjustments in software found in most of the new DLPs leave Seleco in the dust. They need a complete revamp if they are to stay in the game and compete with the opposition.


Thanks for the comparison Ran.
 

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Corey, are you basing your preference for the XP30 over the RP91 on interlaced or progressive output?


Thanks for your comments.


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Corey,


I do feel that in terms of "temporal dithering" this phenomenon is less pronounced on the 300+.


Lovingdvd,


Thanx for the heads up. If you look back at the days of the 9000, you will see that I was one of the few that were constantly tweaking this beast. I have yet to do any serious stuff with the 10K, but I intend to make the most out of the wide tweaking options now in the user menu and might even return to the Service menu....


Hey Dan,


Thanx for your kind words. I have no experience with the RV-80, but I do recall reading that it is indeed a fine performer. I did not have a chance to test the RP-91 in progressive mode, mainly because the Sharp was doing so well in Interlace....


Hey Chris,


I did read your comparison with the JVC, but I was not aware that you actually purchased the 10K. I'm glad we share the same projector once more, though both of us had intentions of looking elsewhere.:)


Herve,


The CRT guy is using a Barco 7" which if I recall correctly is a model prior to the CINE 7. According to him, the gap is indeed closing, but there is still a visible difference in terms of Contrast and the Shadow detail (Blacks).


Best,

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"Corey, are you basing your preference for the XP30 over the RP91 on interlaced or progressive output?"


Dan: I definitely prefer the XP30 to the RP91 on progressive. The RP91 has many more artifacts (combing) than the XP30. The best reproduction of the "Montage" of images on Video Essentials is still with the XP30 (and I assume the XP50 and RP82, Denon 1600 etc will be the same as they use the same chip), even compared to the Sharp 10000 deinterlacing (in 3D mode). I used to have a Pioneer Elite DV-05 DVD Player that I used with my Sharp 9000. I actually preferred the picture of the Pioneer (interlaced)to the RP91 (interlaced) when I had them both together. I've not compared the Pioneer to the XP30 on interlaced, nor the XP30 to the RP91 on interlaced. Why don't you see if you can get an XP30 or equivalent and try it in your system? If you want to discuss further, PM me or lets take this over to the DVD forum.


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I was disappointed in the Sharp 10000. It is clearly better than the 9000, but I definitely prefer the picture of the Sim2 HT300 Plus and the Marantz S2. To me the Sharp is closer to the Infocus 7200 than either the Sim2 or Marantz machines.


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Thanks for the review, Ran. It was very nicely done and of great value. Another "feature" of the HT-300+ is the projector noise. How does the Sharp compare in this respect?

Good Viewing,

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Thanks for a great review (one of the better ones I have seen here)!

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Deinterlacing/Scaling


This was one of the biggest differences between the above projectors. Though the Sim is using the Pixelworks/Faroudja combo, which is considered one of the best, Sharp's own propriety engine blew it clear away. This was very clear in all the tests we did. The sharp had smooth, artifact free picture , while the Sim, compared, displayed some artfifcats and a picture which had a slight digital look to it.
I have heard this statement from many people, and based on my own observations, I agree.


The thing that is ironic is that the dealers who do not sell the Sharp will tell you that one of its biggest drawbacks is the fact that it does not have Faroudja processing!
 

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Hey John,


I'm sorry for not writing on the "noise" issue of this two projectors. As you well know the 300+ is a noisy projector which is mainly due to his unusual high pitch sound and not necessarily the overall noise. The Sharp is not a quiet projector. In fact, based on memory, I think it's louder then the 9K. Nonetheless, the Sharp is less intrusive then the 300+, there is no question about it.


Andrew,


I have said many times that the 300+ is a superb projector, but after looking at both, side by side, with the same material, identical DVD players, the Sim had a few disadvantages that warranted his replacement


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Ran,

I have done the same, but also with the Marantz S2 in the mix and with my eyes the Sharp was a notch below those other two. The Sharp 10000 is not a bad projector, but its just not on the same level as the Sim2 and Marantz in my eyes.


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Your opinion is taken about the 10k but I don't agree, so that's my opinion. Isn't it wonderful to be able to have an opinion. I thought the 10k was better by a long shot.
 

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Ran:

Thanks for your review. I never had the chance to demo the Seleco. However, I did see the Marantz (probably not under optimal conditions--e.g. on a Greyhawk). I definitely prefer my Z10000. I've had it calibrated and the picture is wonderful.


As far as processing is concerned: I have a Panasonic CP72 which apparently has the same Faroujda chip and the same MPEG decoder as the RP82. I've "A-B'd" the projector feeding it progressive and interlaced. I really cannot see a notable difference in smootness, artifacts, etc. For some reason there is a difference in color. Sending out interlaced seems to result in slightly but noticeably deeper colors. So, for now, I've got the CP72 sending the projector interlaced and I've got the projector set on "3D" mode. DVD's look great!


Happy Pesach!
 

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Great discussion, Thanks!


Ran & Others, have any of you done comparisons using the Progressive inputs? To my eyes, using a Pananosic RP-82, the Sim2 HT-300+ looks noticeably better using the Progressive input rather than interlaced. I'm lookng forward to seeing the Sharp.


So I'm asking...

Good Viewing,

John G
 
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