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Like many of you I have been lurking in these forums for quite a while waiting for the chance to build my own theater. I recently bought a home at the beginning of the year and now that I'm back from a little detour, I have the time and more importantly the cash to build it.


For the most part this will be interesting to those who want to lurk as well and get some ideas on what you might want to do or learn from my goofs and not do that (hopefully none of that). And I've kept a close tab on all the material that I've been buying to give others an idea on how much it could cost. Oh and suggestions and questions are welcomed.


Anyways, I am a complete DIY'er. I like learning stuff if I don't know how to do it and I've always had a knack for using tools so, for me this will be a lot of fun doing a more serious project.


I actually started my project last week before the 4th but I just now got to posting this. But before I give an update on where I'm at, I'm going to give a description of what the theater will be.


I know some of you moan and groan at 3D, but I really enjoy it and there's more chance than ever of that experience improving. A while ago there was no easy way to do a Bluray dual projection 3D experience without having to do some work on the feature and then playing it through stereoscopic player. But now, even that player gives the capability to play it straight from the disc. That might work and it might not. If not, I'll do it the other way I was doing it. Anyways, it will be a full 1080p dual projection circular polarized theater. And, it will be a scoped theater (2.40:1) as well. I'm hoping to do it for 3D as well but that might be an experiment at the moment since I'm not able to buy a Panamorph (which doesn't do 2.40) or a Prismasonic (which does), but that might be an upgrade later. For now it'll be DIY prisms. It will also be a 7.1 system with a Tuba Home Theater Low Profile to give it that really rumbling blow that you would get in a real theater, and I will also build all the speakers. The walls and ceilings will be double 5/8ths with Normal Green Glue application. The walls will also have acoustic treatment as well using fabirc frames and wall coverings with rigid insulation.


So, on to the updates. This is what the space looked like before.

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Back


And the basic design from the side.



I stripped the walls and ceilings bare to start from scratch. I will be reinsulating the walls and ceilings to help with the cool Nebraska winters and come soundproofing from the rooms above.






I've already bought the lumber to begin framing tomorrow...as soon as I take off some of that old construction adhesive.
 

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I've already bought the lumber to begin framing tomorrow...as soon as I take off some of that old construction adhesive.

Since you are re-framing had you considered attaching the top plates with isolation clips? also mounting the ceiling on clips and channel? If you are going to have a tuba, and maybe later other DIY subs you may want to think about it.
 

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Room dimensions?
 

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Heck ya another Bellevue Build. There a couple Bellevue and Omaha builds on here as well. Looks like you live in a Celebrity house.
 

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Actually it's a Hearthstone home.


As for the ceiling clips, I'm still not sure if it will benefit me yet. I'm still looking into it. Do you have ceiling clips or have worked with them?


I will post the dimensions tomorrow seeing as how I forgot that.


As for progress I only got one wall framed due to taking care of the kids in the morning til afternoon. I'm hoping to finish framing the long wall tomorrow.
 

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Update:


The walls were actually finished being framed a couple of days ago. Here they are:

Front Framed


Side Framed:




Back



And here are the dimensions I'm working with. The back wall is 11.5', side wall is 22.5' and the front wall is just over 13'. I don't have a pic of the other side at the moment, but it's the area for the boys and in the back left is the PC room. I'll have my media server in there and maybe the rack as well.


Now that the framing is done, I've been really busy now doing measuring for all the drywall and electrical, and... I've been doing the math on the channels and clips and it's looks like it's a good to go thing. And, there's a good chance that I'll be doing clips on the walls and ceiling areas. The good thing is, I found a local Home Depot that carries the channel furring at a cheap price. I still need to find a place where they carry rigid fiberglass. I'm still not sure which brand to go with, but I've been interested in Owens and Corning, and JM. The drywall run is definitely going to be a heavy one with 57 sheets of 5/8ths and 3 1/4ths. At least I have a trailer to get all of it.


I just have a few more things to go through for budgeting. I'm looking pretty good, but I'm pretty conservative that way so that I don't run out of funds too soon.


Anyways, if I have enough time over the next couple of days, I'll be able to start wiring on Friday but more than likely it will be Saturday. And I don't have anything to do on Saturday but my theater.
 

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Well, this weekend I didn't really get anything done because I had other things I had to do during the day. But I did get through all the estimations of wiring and such so that means that I can buy it tomorrow and start on Tuesday.


On a different note my polarized lenses and 7 Ch amp arrived on Friday. I can't wait to do some testing with both of those.
 

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Shound be fun to watch - and another THT LP woot - I'll be following along. I'm planning on building a second, so I can blow out both side walls symmetrically.
 

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The good thing is, I found a local Home Depot that carries the channel furring at a cheap price.

In my area you can buy channel at much less than HD prices at building supply companies.


My go to source for metal studs and channel is Global Building Supply.
 

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At only 22 feet long, the front row is going to be pretty close to the screen. If you assume 6 feet per row for reclining and moving around, the front of the 3rd row will be at 16 feet and the front of the second row will be at 10 feet. This puts the heads of the front row at around 9 feet or so.


It will be like sitting in the front row of the movie theater.


What I recommend doing (and did myself) is to put some tape down on the floor in the exact dimensions and placement for each set of seats. Then put a big box or something at the front and rear of each row, to simulate there being something physically there. Walk around the taped area, see how it feels to you. You will get an accurate enough understanding of it.


My theater build is 21ish feet long and 12 feet wide at the front, 8 feet wide at the back. I am going with two rows. The extra space at the front is to be used for the Wii / XBox...as well as for bean bag chairs for kids. My scientific research on bean bag chairs up close to the screen puts them on par with unicorns and fighting robots with regards to kids...meaning they will all but demand to sit in them. This frees the adults to be comfortable.
 

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Shound be fun to watch - and another THT LP woot - I'll be following along. I'm planning on building a second, so I can blow out both side walls symmetrically.

Wow! A second one. That's pretty daring. I can't wait to see what kind of results you get from that.

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In my area you can buy channel at much less than HD prices at building supply companies.


My go to source for metal studs and channel is Global Building Supply.

Well as it turns out I've decided to not do it in this theater build because for the cost vversus the reults for my space, it just wasn't worth it. But I will be doing it on my next theater build whenwe move into our actual stay in place house. Then I cabbage an actual dedicated room for it.

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At only 22 feet long, the front row is going to be pretty close to the screen. If you assume 6 feet per row for reclining and moving around, the front of the 3rd row will be at 16 feet and the front of the second row will be at 10 feet. This puts the heads of the front row at around 9 feet or so.


It will be like sitting in the front row of the movie theater.

Yeah, I kinda did that test before as well and it was really meant to be extra seating for the really young kids that we have and for just the extra seating. But I will do a more accurate test a little later to get the feel of it like you suggested.
 

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So, over the past few days I've actually been dealing with some stuff that is behind the scenes to make sure that I can order the correct cabling and stuff like that. So, not much of my electrical has been getting done and my wife reminds me of that... but I have done some important things in the mean time.


Yesterday I picked up my server rack from Craigslist (great place to find things for repurposing by the way). Right now I'm posting from work and can't post any picks but I'll do that tonight when I get home.


So, here's been the bulk of my time issue. This theater will be a dual projection 3D theather capable of watching blu ray 3D through two projectors. Now, I'm not certain who has looked into doing this on a large movie screen but the only "correct" way of doing this that's available from the market is by using a single projector that costs a lot more than need be, doesn't have the same quality as dual projecting images does, and oh yeah, you have to pay 150$ dollars for each glass. Ummm... no. Let's do it the way the professionals do it and the way it's been done for most movie theatres and theme parks and has had a lot better success. Dual projection! Oh, wait, there are no commercial software or hardware bluray players that do this. Hmm, so how to do this. (Ok my rant is over).


So, I knew of Stereoscopic player and that it could a large variety of files and configurations and people have been using that software for a long time to do dual projection 3D. But no one has used it for 3D bluray movies. But, I'm very computer savy and video savy so I didn't give up. I found that I could rip the left and right video files from the disk AND keep the lossless audio in an MKV format (which is supported through Stereoscopic player but using third party codecs). I don't have my theater up and runnign (obviously) and I want to test everything to make sure it works.


So, on Wed I set up both projectors and started playing one of my converted videos and it starts up fine in one window and then you need to switch it to fullscreen to have both screens playing it. I switch it over aaaannnndddd, nothing. Just black screen, not frozen, no loading visible, etc. Mouse even still moved across the screen. And it went that way for the better part of 3 hours. So, now I'm working on that problem which isn't making me too happy because one of things I really want for this theater is 3D in HiDef. Fortunately, I know this way of doing it does work and it just means there's some kind of oddity about why it won't work. So, I have some things left to try out tonight. If any of you have ideas that would be great. I've also posted it here.


So, tonight I'm probably going to play with the projectors because tomorrow late afternoon til evening I'll be doing the wiring while in the afternoon I have to put the watercooling into my computer that runs this whole theater.


I'm just hoping to clear this problem up before too long so that I can continue in confidence, I guess you could say.


Edit: Pics for server


Front of Server (kind of hard to see)



Back of server
 

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Update:


I did find the solution to the Stereoscpoic player issue. It turns out that I had accidentally set the output to Stereobright Dual Output which may or may not be oversaturating the workload of the files. I'll have to test that so that I can send any bug info to Peter Wimmer. But if I set it to regular Dual Output, it works flawlessly and beautifully. So, I was certainly ecstatic about that. Oh and it does work fine on both Bluray 3D files and the left and right files that I've been using as well.


As for the wiring, it's coming along but apparently I didn't plan adequately enough because for the past couple of days I've been making runs to the hardware store constantly because I forgot x item or decided to something differently. But now I have all that essentially cleared up and I've done quite a bit. I'm wiring the Graphic Eye at the moment and will finish up the light wiring the connects to it tonight. I plan on picking up the wall sconces tonight and getting those ready to be wired up as well. After that the next for wiring will be the server rack and computer room for wiring. I hope that I can finish the wiring by the end of this week so that I can put up the insulation next week. I'll post some updated pics when I get the wiring areas done.
 

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You are going to have the nicest Hearthstone home in NE.


Which server rack did you buy? There have been quite a few posted lately. Is your gear rack mountable? If not, the cost of shelves will probably run you more than what you paid for the rack.


What are you doing for HVAC in that room?
 

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Which server rack did you buy? There have been quite a few posted lately. Is your gear rack mountable? If not, the cost of shelves will probably run you more than what you paid for the rack.

Actually, I'm not sure which brand it is. I just know that this will accommodate my future media server which will be a 4U rack that fits this cabinet. It will also accommodate all of my equipment which some of it I will certainly have to buy the shelves for, and yes they are expensive but required. It's the same ones that I use at work. I'll post dimensions later.

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What are you doing for HVAC in that room?

Actually, I'm not doing anything special since during the summer, it stays cool all summer long and during the winter it will be warm as well. The HVAC doesn't really make any noise from the vents and the current door to the utility room will be soundproofed as a sandfilled door with other treatments as well.


I was kind of hoping to get some work done today but I spent the evening running around getting some more things and then I had unexpected dinner guests and then a long night of putting my kids to bed.
 

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So, I've not done any updates in a while because I had not really made much progress on the electrical and didn't really have anything to share. But here it is.


Side done with wiring for sconces and rope lighting above




Back




Not too worried about good patching on this area because another layer will be going on it and then the fabric frames as well.




Isolated Computer Outlet: This socket is completely grounded on it's own all the way back to the service panel and is 20Amps. This should ensure plenty of dedicated power.




Server Area Ready: The rack will also have two of it's own isolated 20 Amp receptacles. The wiring above it is already done, I just need to clean the floor up and move the rack into place.




But, most of what took me so long was my final mod to my Media Server Computer. If you've read the previous post you might guess that I would need to have a lot of power to run this theater. My other computers have been liquid cooled and this one couldn't be the exception. So, I finally took time to do it. And it definitely took a while considering the complexity of this build.




This one shows just how cool my UV reactive dye looks in the computer with the UV lights on inside.




So, this is where you can see why I made the decision to liquid cool on this one as well. I have three power hungry video cards that give off plenty of heat and sadly, even though the board sports a lot of cool features, it also has the down side of having every video card next to each other. So, the fans weren't really getting enough air to cool them down. When I'll be running Crysis 1 and 2 in 3D and any other fun games, it will require some heavy loads. These are 3 AMD 6950's. The awesome thing about these cards are the sliding switches which gives me two firmware possibilities. And the 6970 are just a firmware change. So, I was able to flash all the cards to 6970's and saved myself $100 per card. Not bad hey?




This is cooling an Intel Hexacore chip. It's not overclocked yet, but I soon will.
It's pretty sweet to see handbrake encoding with all 12 threads.








Next step is insulation which I just bought and is sitting inside my garage ready to be installed. I'm not sure just yet when I'm going to start installing it but it should be soon.


I chose to do the speaker wiring between the drywall and the fabric frames for two reasons. One, I didn't want to worry about having the electrical lines right next to the speaker wires and two, it'll be easier this way. My wires are actually going to run down the length of the I beam that sits under the house running the length of the basement. It will run right into my soffits making it easy to route it around the various speaker places.


If any of you Omaha people can tell me where you found the best place to buy locally OC703 or another similar rigid fiberglass that would be awesome. I have a couple of places I can call but haven't done so yet to get some pricing done on that.
 

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I bought my OC703 from a commercial vendor just SW of 132nd and L, I don't know the name of the company though



If you have ever been on that side where L and Industrial meet there is a big car audio store called In-Phase car audio, the insulation place is a block farther SW from In-Phase.
 

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I bought my OC703 from a commercial vendor just SW of 132nd and L, I don't know the name of the company though



If you have ever been on that side where L and Industrial meet there is a big car audio store called In-Phase car audio, the insulation place is a block farther SW from In-Phase.

To bad you can't remember. Fortunately I was able to search for insulation near that place and did come up with a place near there though the name escapes me. I haven't had a chance to call them yet.


As for updates, I got the basement cleaned up and now I'm ready to install the insulation. I'll try to do that on Monday hopefully.
 

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Well, I feel like I've made quite a bit of progress even though it's just the insulation that I've completely finished. It's just that extra step that makes you feel good getting closer. I've also finished the first layer of drywall on the ceiling but I won't include pictures yet until the whole first layer is finished. I plan on starting the walls tonight but I have some other woodworking projects that I have to do so that might have to wait until the weekend.


In the meantime here are some pics of that itchy goodness.








I also remembered that I reinforced the projector area for the mount. I took some 2x4's and mounted them across 3 joists and drill the holes in them for the mount plate and then put T-nuts on top so that I could just screw in the Hex bolts. It worked beautifully.







Oh, I almost forgot. Since I had to cover up the ceiling and all I thought it would be a smart idea to remember pulling the HDMI cable to the projector mount area as well. Since the length was going from my computer room to the main theater area, it had to be a really good thick cable for good transmission. Over 50ft in fact. I will still have to do some tests to make sure I don't need a repeater. The gauge is 22.




And up close to give you an idea of the size. This was a beast to pull two of these at once. I forgot to take pictures of the pulling but I ended up using the handy space on the side of the I beam supporting the house. I bought some 2" PVC and slid it along the side of the beam to make for a much easier wire pull, which is also where my speaker wiring will go through once I'm done with the drywalling.

 
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