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Small Sealed Sub Advice

1214 Views 5 Replies 4 Participants Last post by  Starkiller4299
I recently finished building a pair of zaph za5.3 for mains and a za5.3c for the center channel for a small bedroom system. I'm thinking about adding a small sealed sub for some additional low frequency help. I'm not super experienced with modeling in winisd or unibox, but here's what I've got so far. I wanted to see if my plan is flawed.


The system will be used for 70% movies/30% music, but will not be played super loud.


I was thinking about a Dayton RSS315HF-4 paired with a Dayton SA240-B plate amp w/ boost. I was planning on a 1.5cf enclosure, but it could probably grow a couple inches if necessary.


See my magnitude response and cone excursion plot below. It looks like the F3 is around 27 Hz, but the cone excursion has me a little worried. As long as I don't run the amp at full gain, will I be ok?


I wasn't exactly sure how to model the boost, so I modeled it as a PEQ with 6dB of gain at 30 Hz.


Let me know what you guys think, any advice would be appreciated.

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I believe that with the way WinISD models that if you've put in 240W as the input voltage and then had a 6 dB PEQ that it is modelling as though you have 960W at 30 Hz. You should be able to look at a Power graph in the software to confirm this. In that case you have little to worry about as the amplifier can't produce that amount of power.

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Originally Posted by geoffstgermaine /forum/post/18100272


I believe that with the way WinISD models that if you've put in 240W as the input voltage and then had a 6 dB PEQ that it is modelling as though you have 960W at 30 Hz. You should be able to look at a Power graph in the software to confirm this. In that case you have little to worry about as the amplifier can't produce that amount of power.

Well you have a bit to worry since you will be clipping the amp. And it's not just the way WinISD models it - it's reality. For a 3dB increase you need double the power, so for a 6dB increase you need 4x.
Whether it's clipping or not the amp is incapable of producing the power as depicted in the excursion plot from WinISD. A 240 W amp with 6 dB of boost at 30 Hz won't produce 960W at 30 Hz, which is the way it is being modelled in WinISD, so it isn't reality. Of course 6 dB boost is 4x power, I wasn't stating that wasn't reality, I was stating that modelling at 240W amp with 6 dB of boost at 30 Hz as producing 960W at 30 Hz isn't. I've worked in enough physics labs to know that.
I understand where you're both coming from. It is not realistic for the amplifier to produce ~960 W of power at 30 Hz. However, if you run the amplifier at full gain with boost enabled, you'll be clipping for frequencies around 30 Hz which isn't good either. I changed the model to assume an output power of 60 W (assuming 240W at 30 Hz) and I have no excursion problems. It looks like I'll just need to be careful when running boost not to cause the amplifier to clip at frequencies around 30 Hz.


Any other comments on the design?
A simple fix to the modeling issue, simply add another filter, of the "static gain" type. Simply input into this the gain given by the EQ, but negative. This will re-normalize the graph to the amplifier's capabilities, and bring the excursion well within limits.


Other than that, if you're happy with it, then we are too!
I mean, you could always to a bit bigger and lower, but if your size constraints are the most important thing, so be it.
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