[FrancescoP]

So, I've read many threads on the PS3 audio capabilities here but nobody is sure about nothing.


In the end we only got the Sony representative Paidgeek words that:

"The PS3 does not pass advanced codecs over HDMI"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...post10457406


My understanding then is:

Blu-Ray Disc Audio Track -> HDMI audio output

Dolby Digital -> Dolby Digital output

DTS -> DTS output

DTS EX -> DTX EX output

Dolby Digital Plus -> no output

DTS-HD -> DTS core output

DTS-MA -> DTS core output

TrueHD -> LPCM output (but no Blu-Ray movies use TrueHD)

PCM -> LPCM output (the only way to get lossless audio on PS3!)


So, has somebody tested this with a HDMI 1.3 receiver? Is it true?


And is it true that the a firmware is not going to fix this because of the limitations of the Silicon Image HDMI chipset SiI 9132?


And is it true that other players, like the Samsung, have the new SiI 9134 chipset, that truly supports next-gen audio streams via HDMI? I only found this to backup this claim:

http://ir.siliconimage.com/ReleaseDetail.c...eleaseid=207419


New Lossless Audio Formats, Power Management


The SiI 9134 can transmit the new, lossless compressed digital audio formats supported in HDMI 1.3: Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio(tm). The two chips also handle other HDMI-supported audio formats, including high- bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and compressed formats such as Dolby® Digital and DTS. The SiI 9133 and SiI 9134 also support SACD and DVD audio formats. Both products provide flexible power-down modes.

 

[TauRus]

I think your question has been answered many times in many threads already: PS3 has HDMI 1.3 hardware, while on the software side it does not output advanced codecs yet. Which might change any day when Sony decides to release an appropriate firmware.

 

[FrancescoP]

Can you be more precise? I've separated the two for clarity:


PS3 HDMI Audio Options

When "Bitstream" is selected:
Blu-Ray Disc Audio Track -> HDMI audio output

Dolby Digital 5.1 -> Dolby Digital 5.1 output

DTS -> DTS output

DTS EX -> DTX EX output

Dolby Digital Plus -> Dolby Digital 5.1 core output

DTS-HD -> DTS core output

DTS-HD MA -> DTS core output

TrueHD -> Dolby Digital 5.1 output

PCM -> LPCM output

When "Linear PCM" is selected:
Blu-Ray Disc Audio Track -> HDMI audio output

Dolby Digital 5.1 -> LPCM output

DTS -> LPCM output

DTS EX -> LPCM output

Dolby Digital Plus -> Dolby Digital 5.1 core converted to LPCM output

DTS-HD -> DTS core converted to LPCM output

DTS-HD MA -> DTS core converted to LPCM output

TrueHD -> LPCM output

PCM -> LPCM output


Is this correct?


The TrueHD bit is from the Nine Inch Nails faq:

Quote:
"The Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time title in Blu-Ray has a Dolby True HD Track. What happens when the bitstream is selected in HDMI out audio settings?"


When you choose HDMI bitstream output on the PS3, it outputs the Dolby Digital 5.1 track. The Blu-ray specification requires that every TrueHD title include a DD5.1 track for backward compatibility, and that is all you get when you set the PS3 to output bitstream, even with a HDMI 1.3 receiver.

 

[Stinky-Dinkins]

I don't know what you're asking to be more specific about, but it is my understanding that the PS3 is fully TrueHD/Master Audio compliant but it requires a [future] firmware update for the codecs to work properly. Firmware updates are released every month or so via PSN, eventually one of them will allow for proper support of the new codecs. The hardware is in place, but the support firmware has not yet been made available.

 

[UxiSXRD]

Who wants to break it to this guy that just because you have HDMI 1.3 hardware 1) doesn't mean you have the software and 2) are not obligated to provide OPTIONAL features allowed by HDMI 1.3?

 

[The Outcast]



Quote:
Originally Posted by UxiSXRD /forum/post/0


Who wants to break it to this guy that just because you have HDMI 1.3 hardware 1) doesn't mean you have the software and 2) are not obligated to provide OPTIONAL features allowed by HDMI 1.3?

This guy has a few questions he is trying to understand and you make it like he is breaking your back asking. Nice..........


I always thought that this forum was for people to learn more and understand. Hell, that is why I took the plunge into the PS3 for not only games, but blu-ray too.


To see a response like this, is isn't that encouraging to look for answers.


Hell, I think it is a great questions, something I never thought off.


outtie

 

[UxiSXRD]

"Who wants to break it to this guy" was intended in levity. I will include the winky emoticon next time, but certainly did not intend an acrmonious tone. Do you have any beef with anything after that part?

 

[WirelessGuru]

To answer your question, we need to know the Sil 9132's capabilities. Neither Sony or Silicon Image have the specifications posted anywhere. Until we have those specifications, it is all speculation and conjecture. I have done plenty of both in several other threads.


Here is what we do know:

* Sony has never advertised that the HDMI 1.3 output will handle bitstream output of the lossless audio codecs.

* Sony has advertised the intent of HDMI 1.3 in the PS3 was to make it future proof.

* Sony received their allocation of Sil9132 chips before the Sil9133 was being distributed and before the Sil9134 was in production.

* The only information published about the Sil9132 is that it is a "gaming transmitter" The Sil9134 is also regarded as a "transmitter" while the Sil9133 is considered a "receiver".

http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384

 

[FrancescoP]



Quote:
Originally Posted by WirelessGuru /forum/post/0


To answer your question, we need to know the Sil 9132's capabilities. Neither Sony or Silicon Image have the specifications posted anywhere. Until we have those specifications, it is all speculation and conjecture. I have done plenty of both in several other threads.


Here is what we do know:

* Sony has never advertised that the HDMI 1.3 output will handle bitstream output of the lossless audio codecs.

* Sony has advertised the intent of HDMI 1.3 in the PS3 was to make it future proof.

* Sony received their allocation of Sil9132 chips before the Sil9133 was being distributed and before the Sil9134 was in production.

* The only information published about the Sil9132 is that it is a "gaming transmitter" The Sil9134 is also regarded as a "transmitter" while the Sil9133 is considered a "receiver".

http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384

Thank you very much. It's more clear now.

Maybe somebody should email Silicon Image and ask them directly about their 9132 chip capabilities.

 

[vvista]

Silicon Image refers to the 9132 chip used in the PS3 as the "game console". It does not seem to have any audio processing capabilities. That function is performed by other chips on board. The only HDMI 1.3 thing it has is the Deep Color which is another marketing ploy!


One can only hope that DTS-HD MA decoding firmware will be released toward the end of the year. Someone should organize a poll to let SCEI know that

 

[WirelessGuru]



Quote:
Originally Posted by vvista /forum/post/0


The only HDMI 1.3 thing it has is the Deep Color which is another marketing ploy!

That is yet to be seen. Not too long ago they started selling 1080p displays even though there was no 1080p content. I bet those who bought 1080p displays back then don't think they made a bad decision now.

 

[scott463g]

It would seem to me that he wants to know what the CURRENT state of audio output the PS3 provides and a majority of you seem to be interpreting that as- "why the hell is the PS3 broken."


Answer the mans question instead of going off on your own tangent? Just a thought.

 

[The Outcast]



Quote:
Originally Posted by UxiSXRD /forum/post/0


"Who wants to break it to this guy" was intended in levity. I will include the winky emoticon next time, but certainly did not intend an acrmonious tone. Do you have any beef with anything after that part?

Nope, no beef. I alway thought that it is hard to read the tone of someone's intentions in print. Plus I was in pissy mood yesterday and if that was a response I got I would have been like WTF. But alas, now I see where you were coming from. I think the winky emotion (man I can't believe I just said winky) would have made me think otherwise.


Sorry for the misunderstanding and sorry for kinda jumping down your throat.


Cheers,


Outtie