Some European sales numbers

First rule of life. Never ever EVAR trust any kind of information from the BDA. No matter who you like, BDAs marketing department is a BS machine running amok.


Secondly, how many Casino Royale BluRay discs did Sony give away with the PS3 console in Europe? Well, enough to make bluray look good for a while.


Check the big online retailers in Europe like Axelmusic. HD-DVD have been outselling bluray 60%/40% during the last month, 65%/35% over the year.

I'm not sure what these kind of figures prove. I've imported all but one (Harry P) of my 45 HD-DVDs from the States. However, what with Google Checkout being launched in the UK with a nice £10 off £30 order offer I thought I'd splash some cash on this side of the Atlantic. I was disappointed by the range and price of titles available. Without exception the UK HD-DVD titles worked out to be at least £5 and sometimes even more expensive than imported US titles. The range was pitiful, with most titles having been available in the US for many months before. In the end I bought Mulholland Drive and Brotherhood of the Wolf, two titles not yet available Stateside and with the Google discount they worked out roughly the same as a standard US HD-DVD. Really, there is no reason for UK residents to buy UK retailed HD-DVD discs, unless they have cash to burn and are happy with slim pickings.



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Secondly, how many Casino Royale BluRay discs did Sony give away with the PS3 console in Europe? Well, enough to make bluray look good for a while.

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If you'd actually been following the discussions here and elsewhere, you'd know that bundled discs aren't being counted in sales by either side.

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Check the big online retailers in Europe like Axelmusic. HD-DVD have been outselling bluray 60%/40% during the last month, 65%/35% over the year.

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Not only have the websites of individual retailers been proven hit-and-miss at best, but even if they were close, the percentages were way higher for HD DVD not too long ago. Seems like no matter how you guys twist and turn Blu-ray is moving higher.



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If you'd actually been following the discussions here and elsewhere, you'd know that bundled discs aren't being counted in sales by either side.

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Only problem is, that I have not seen any sales number yet. So regardless they are counted or not, I would like to see the numbers. The percentages are pretty much useless if I don't know the volume behind.


However, I agree with Canary_Jules, he pretty much describes my buying habit. Most of my HDDVDs are imports from the US.



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That tinfoil hat looks great on you.

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2nd rule of life: Don't trust an anonymous, pro HD DVD internet user's rebuttal of any press release....as they are clueless as to the truth.

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That sure got the BluRay cheerleaders going.



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If you'd actually been following the discussions here and elsewhere, you'd know that bundled discs aren't being counted in sales by either side.

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You might be right, but can we be sure? The press release does not say anything about it.

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Not only have the websites of individual retailers been proven hit-and-miss at best, but even if they were close, the percentages were way higher for HD DVD not too long ago. Seems like no matter how you guys twist and turn Blu-ray is moving higher.

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Who are "you guys" ? I'm hoping for one format, no matter what color, but BDA marketing is full of it, no matter who you like the most. But I guess if you say that, you are anti BDA and an enemy by default?



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Who are "you guys" ? I'm hoping for one format, no matter what color, but BDA marketing is full of it, no matter who you like the most. But I guess if you say that, you are anti BDA and an enemy by default?

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All marketing is BS, almost by definition. I don't believe the BDA is any better or worse than most, but it's been brought up by their direct competitors that are invited to post here so much that it's now seen as gospel.



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All marketing is BS, almost by definition. I don't believe the BDA is any better or worse than most, but it's been brought up by their direct competitors that are invited to post here so much that it's now seen as gospel.

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Seriously, Sony/BDA pretty much dug their own grave with the "BLURAY VICTORY INEVITABLE", "PS3 cited HDDVD killer" newspaper at CES. What about Tretton's Offers To Buy Unsold PS3s For $1200?


I don't dislike BluRay, but that kind of marketing is just making me sick.


Besides that, I agree that all marketing is BS, there are just many different levels to it.



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Seriously, Sony/BDA pretty much dug their own grave with the "BLURAY VICTORY INEVITABLE", "PS3 cited HDDVD killer" newspaper at CES. What about Tretton's Offers To Buy Unsold PS3s For $1200?


I don't dislike BluRay, but that kind of marketing is just making me sick.


Besides that, I agree that all marketing is BS, there are just many different levels to it.

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I agree 100%. You'd never see Toshiba employing that kind of marketing when HD-DVD was in the lead. Hell, even Microsoft never dipped that low.



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I agree 100%. You'd never see Toshiba employing that kind of marketing when HD-DVD was in the lead. Hell, even Microsoft never dipped that low.

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I don't know they did employ it or not but following your assumption, saying "No. 1 platform!" when the competitor was not yet launched is plain stupid so they didn't do it.



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Look at catalog release prices for br and HD DVD at

www.freerecordshop.nl


19.99 euro versus 29.99 euro.


With that kind of pricing br isn't going anywhere.

HD DVD is less expensive but competing with the DVD at around 8 euro's will be an uphill battle with a muddy slope.


Post #2 sums it up pretty well.


Most early adopters overhere (>90%) went HD DVD because it's region free.

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Hmm, I didn't get the prices exactly. Looking at freerecordshop.fi I don't see much difference in the prices for both formats. However, if you want bigger sample you can check http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ . The average price there is from amazon.com. You'll see that currently average price for Blu-ray titles is $28.60 and average price for HD DVD titles is $42.30. I know it is because of many combo discs but I personally think combo discs are not very good idea. I don't want to buy movies in two formats at the same time if the price is higher.

From the article:"News from the Blu-ray Disc Association suggests..." That about sums up the FUDmeisters and this story right there.



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From the article:"News from the Blu-ray Disc Association suggests..." That about sums up the FUDmeisters and this story right there.

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Yes and if you have better numbers for European sales, please let us know too. I told that already in the original post.



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I don't believe the BDA is any better or worse than most

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But they are. Worse that is. Just check their history. Many claims followed by delays and disappointments. Just because they are currently producing some excellent releases and leading HD DVD in sales does not change that.