This is a good example of baffle them with BULL S.
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Somebody shoot me if I start talking like this.....
"Cables require a total of 400 to 500 hours to completely break in. If you ordered our 2 day cable break-in service, your cables will arrive with the equivalent of 96 hours on them. If you ordered the extended 5 day breakin, the equivalent of 240 hours will be on them.
The "difficult stage" of the breakin, where the cables might be hard to listen to is between 50 to 100 hours. There can be brief periods however past this point. If you have an evening where they are hard to listen to, do not fret, this will quickly go away. All should be well the next day. When full breakin is reached, there will be no more changes with the sound.
Our cables are meant to be hooked up and left alone. If you later move your cables, 1 to 2 days might be required for them to "settle" into their new positions. If you notice a change in the sound, all will return after the 1 to 2 days. Again, do not fret!
All cable products require a break-in time for the sound quality to reach the maximum potential for that product. It can be a sonic roller coaster ride during break-in."
"Cables require a total of 400 to 500 hours to completely break in. If you ordered our 2 day cable break-in service, your cables will arrive with the equivalent of 96 hours on them. If you ordered the extended 5 day breakin, the equivalent of 240 hours will be on them.
The "difficult stage" of the breakin, where the cables might be hard to listen to is between 50 to 100 hours. There can be brief periods however past this point. If you have an evening where they are hard to listen to, do not fret, this will quickly go away. All should be well the next day. When full breakin is reached, there will be no more changes with the sound.
Our cables are meant to be hooked up and left alone. If you later move your cables, 1 to 2 days might be required for them to "settle" into their new positions. If you notice a change in the sound, all will return after the 1 to 2 days. Again, do not fret!
All cable products require a break-in time for the sound quality to reach the maximum potential for that product. It can be a sonic roller coaster ride during break-in."
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Just when I thought I'd heard it all...
What's sad is that it is nowhere near the worst I have read in the past few years (or the decades before, for that matter).
I'd love to see a study of how much our perception of a system's performance changes day-to-day with mood, weather, phase of the moon...
I'd love to see a study of how much our perception of a system's performance changes day-to-day with mood, weather, phase of the moon...
Great marketing idea. Convince people that they need break in and charge a fee for doing it in advance of shipping. It is what many people want to believe. They pay for that belief.
I think the basic appeal is:
You aren't building a home entertainment system, you are doing a junior science fair project!
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Originally Posted by FMW /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24401424
Great marketing idea. Convince people that they need break in and charge a fee for doing it in advance of shipping. It is what many people want to believe. They pay for that belief.
I think the basic appeal is:
You aren't building a home entertainment system, you are doing a junior science fair project!
...and even after they break the cable in for you, they state that once moved, the cable will need further break in time of another one to two days additional. So if you change things in your system often, you could be indefinitely stuck in this "break in" mode...sweet. I'd hate to be that guy...stuck in some kind of mode, like a Twilight Zone script...I can hear the narrator now.
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Originally Posted by FMW /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24401424
Great marketing idea. Convince people that they need break in and charge a fee for doing it in advance of shipping. It is what many people want to believe. They pay for that belief.
...and even after they break the cable in for you, they state that once moved, the cable will need further break in time of another one to two days additional. So if you change things in your system often, you could be indefinitely stuck in this "break in" mode...sweet. I'd hate to be that guy...stuck in some kind of mode, like a Twilight Zone script...I can hear the narrator now.
Wonder what the connector break-in time is, and if it varies with connector type.
I think the cryo-hardened ones take a little longer.
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Originally Posted by DonH50 /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24402216
Wonder what the connector break-in time is, and if it varies with connector type.
I think the cryo-hardened ones take a little longer.
I'm pretty sure the idea of "cable break-in" originated with Jean Hiraga. For a good laugh, here's an article describing how Hiraga set his hotel room on fire at the 2009 Munich high-end show by leaving a tube amp on overnight, presumably to keep it warmed up.
Usually I can kinda see the rationale behind any of this garbage. I mean, it's inflated, exaggerated and overcharged. But this, I can't even see the shred of truth they built the lies on top of.
I'll never forget the "sonic roller coaster ride" I went on when I first hooked my high end "Anti Cables" up.
Actually, I do use Anticables brand solid core wire. Not over priced. http://anticables.com/
I'm not advertising for them. I did some research and a few people recommended them for a quality solid core, oxygen free wire.
I'll never forget the "sonic roller coaster ride" I went on when I first hooked my high end "Anti Cables" up.
Actually, I do use Anticables brand solid core wire. Not over priced. http://anticables.com/
I'm not advertising for them. I did some research and a few people recommended them for a quality solid core, oxygen free wire.
In 1976 I lived in an apartment. I got a spool of 14AWG at Radio Shack. Hooked up my JBL L-36's and a 25 WPC Sony receiver. Sounded great!
We moved to a new home in 1978. Used the same wire (and cables)... I was surprised that no "break-in" period was necessary. Everything still sounded great.
And believe it or not.... I'm still using the same "green" speaker wires (of course, new speaker/amp upgrades over the years). No way that I'd buy new wires when the ones that I have been "burned in" for 35 years.
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Ya think I could sell 'em on Ebay for a premium?
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We moved to a new home in 1978. Used the same wire (and cables)... I was surprised that no "break-in" period was necessary. Everything still sounded great.
And believe it or not.... I'm still using the same "green" speaker wires (of course, new speaker/amp upgrades over the years). No way that I'd buy new wires when the ones that I have been "burned in" for 35 years.
Ya think I could sell 'em on Ebay for a premium?
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I think I'll stick with the Monster speaker wire I picked up for the over top price of 50 cents a foot. I got it run in OK. Its thats 2nd set of cables from Monoprice that needs some time on them.
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24402487
I'll never forget the "sonic roller coaster ride" I went on when I first hooked my high end "Anti Cables" up.
Actually, I do use Anticables brand solid core wire. Not over priced. http://anticables.com/
I'm not advertising for them. I did some research and a few people recommended them for a quality solid core, oxygen free wire.
I think I'll stick with the Monster speaker wire I picked up for the over top price of 50 cents a foot. I got it run in OK. Its thats 2nd set of cables from Monoprice that needs some time on them.
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
Now that is funny.
But then what do you make of all of the high end speaker, amp and processor designers that always seem have high these high end cables when they show their stuff? Does that mean they believe? And since they use what we think is bogus, does that make their designs and thinking bogus too?
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Originally Posted by bear123 /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410402
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
Now that is funny.
But then what do you make of all of the high end speaker, amp and processor designers that always seem have high these high end cables when they show their stuff? Does that mean they believe? And since they use what we think is bogus, does that make their designs and thinking bogus too?
What it means is that appearances matter when you are showing off your gear. Its common sense! Everybody who is surprised or is trying to obtain some larger scientific truth from that needs to put on a pointed cap and find a corner to sit in! ;-)
Since the high end pretensions of their gear is often just as bogus as the cables, go figure! Remember that a certain high end manufacturer took a mid-line AVR stripped out the power amps, and resold it for like 10 times as much as a surround processor. His dealers were thrilled because they finally got something that was highly functional and reliable.
Much of it is. Now that surround processing is mainstream, everybody is feeding at a short list of troughs. The basic signal processing code comes people like from Dolby, DTS, and Audyssey; others such as Analog Devices and Cirrus Logic burn it into the firmware segments of their DSP chips, and everybody surface mounts those chips onto their circuit cards. This isn't the same as 10 years ago when people like Lexicon were building short runs of surround processor logic code and chips that they designed and built themselves.
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Originally Posted by mhrischuk /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410434
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Originally Posted by bear123 /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410402
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
Now that is funny.
But then what do you make of all of the high end speaker, amp and processor designers that always seem have high these high end cables when they show their stuff?
What it means is that appearances matter when you are showing off your gear. Its common sense! Everybody who is surprised or is trying to obtain some larger scientific truth from that needs to put on a pointed cap and find a corner to sit in! ;-)
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Does that mean they believe?
Since the high end pretensions of their gear is often just as bogus as the cables, go figure! Remember that a certain high end manufacturer took a mid-line AVR stripped out the power amps, and resold it for like 10 times as much as a surround processor. His dealers were thrilled because they finally got something that was highly functional and reliable.
Quote:
And since they use what we think is bogus, does that make their designs and thinking bogus too?
Much of it is. Now that surround processing is mainstream, everybody is feeding at a short list of troughs. The basic signal processing code comes people like from Dolby, DTS, and Audyssey; others such as Analog Devices and Cirrus Logic burn it into the firmware segments of their DSP chips, and everybody surface mounts those chips onto their circuit cards. This isn't the same as 10 years ago when people like Lexicon were building short runs of surround processor logic code and chips that they designed and built themselves.
http://www.roger-russell.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by mhrischuk /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this/0_100#post_24410434
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Originally Posted by bear123 /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410402
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
Now that is funny.
But then what do you make of all of the high end speaker, amp and processor designers that always seem have high these high end cables when they show their stuff? Does that mean they believe? And since they use what we think is bogus, does that make their designs and thinking bogus too?
Good link and quite interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 67jason /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410498
http://www.roger-russell.com/
The link is:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/2512-speakers%3B-when-good-enough-enough-3.html#post15412
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We gathered up a 5 of our audio buddies. We took my "old" Martin Logan SL-3 (not a bad speaker for accurate noise making) and hooked them up with Monster 1000 speaker cables (decent cables according to the audio press). We also rigged up 14 gauge, oxygen free Belden stranded copper wire with a simple PVC jacket. Both were 2 meters long. They were connected to an ABX switch box allowing blind fold testing. Volume levels were set at 75 Db at 1000K Hz. A high quality recording of smooth, trio, easy listening jazz was played (Piano, drums, bass). None of us had heard this group or CD before, therefore eliminating biases. The music was played. Of the 5 blind folded, only 2 guessed correctly which was the monster cable. (I was not one of them). This was done 7 times in a row! Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! Unknown to me and our 12 audiophile buddies, prior to the ABX blind test, he took apart four coat hangers, reconnectd them and twisted them into a pair of speaker cables. Connections were soldered. He stashed them in a closet within the testing room so we were not privy to what he was up to. This made for a pair of 2 meter cables, the exact length of the other wires. The test was conducted. After 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the coat hanger wire. Further, when music was played through the coat hanger wire, we were asked if what we heard sounded good to us. All agreed that what was heard sounded excellent, however, when A-B tests occured, it was impossible to determine which sounded best the majority of the time and which wire was in use. Needless to say, after the blind folds came off and we saw what my brother did, we learned he was right...most of what manufactures have to say about their products is pure hype. It seems the more they charge, the more hyped it is.
So you see, my friend, that is why I have joined up with this site (audioholics) because their approach to good sound and education to acquire good sound and video is based on science, not hype, hypnotics, placebo effects or wishful
thinking.
Dr. Bob Dean
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bear123 /t/1519549/somebody-shoot-me-if-i-start-talking-like-this#post_24410402
I remember some kind of double blind test where some "audiophiles" could not tell the difference between high end cables and coat hangers.....lol.
The link is:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/2512-speakers%3B-when-good-enough-enough-3.html#post15412
"
We gathered up a 5 of our audio buddies. We took my "old" Martin Logan SL-3 (not a bad speaker for accurate noise making) and hooked them up with Monster 1000 speaker cables (decent cables according to the audio press). We also rigged up 14 gauge, oxygen free Belden stranded copper wire with a simple PVC jacket. Both were 2 meters long. They were connected to an ABX switch box allowing blind fold testing. Volume levels were set at 75 Db at 1000K Hz. A high quality recording of smooth, trio, easy listening jazz was played (Piano, drums, bass). None of us had heard this group or CD before, therefore eliminating biases. The music was played. Of the 5 blind folded, only 2 guessed correctly which was the monster cable. (I was not one of them). This was done 7 times in a row! Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! Unknown to me and our 12 audiophile buddies, prior to the ABX blind test, he took apart four coat hangers, reconnectd them and twisted them into a pair of speaker cables. Connections were soldered. He stashed them in a closet within the testing room so we were not privy to what he was up to. This made for a pair of 2 meter cables, the exact length of the other wires. The test was conducted. After 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the coat hanger wire. Further, when music was played through the coat hanger wire, we were asked if what we heard sounded good to us. All agreed that what was heard sounded excellent, however, when A-B tests occured, it was impossible to determine which sounded best the majority of the time and which wire was in use. Needless to say, after the blind folds came off and we saw what my brother did, we learned he was right...most of what manufactures have to say about their products is pure hype. It seems the more they charge, the more hyped it is.
So you see, my friend, that is why I have joined up with this site (audioholics) because their approach to good sound and education to acquire good sound and video is based on science, not hype, hypnotics, placebo effects or wishful
thinking.
Dr. Bob Dean
"
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