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The HX909 Owner's thread is cluttered with discussions of many "side issues" but little discussion about experiences with and recommendations for specific settings.


This thread will discuss the merits and drawbacks of various settings as well as keep the recommended settings up to date in 1 place.


This list of recommended settings is subject to change as more is learned about the HX909. I've used a video signal generator to determine correct settings where possible. I won't be able to say a whole lot about instrumented measurements until my review is published in WSR, but I see no harm in discussing basic settings.


(NEW - Try sending RGB to the HX909 instead of YCbCr - if you notice that images are sharper, continue to use RGB - note that sending RGB means keeping 16-235 (different manufacturers have different names for this mode... limited, standard, light are some of them) for 16-235 sources like Blu-ray and switching to 0-255 mode for PC sources and perhaps for some games.)


Updated November 3, 2010 (only change is paragraph "New" above)


Dark Room Viewing setting recommendations:


Scene Select Mode: General


2D Settings

Custom

Backlight - 2

Picture - 82 (produces +/- 35 fL combined with Backlight 2)

Brightness - 50 (remarkable... a factory default that's correct!)

Color - 50

Hue - 0


Color Temp - Warm2 (which is a little too red, Warm1 has a larger Blue bias than the red/yellow bias in Warm2 - you may prefer Warm1 if you are not having the TV calibrated, but you need 1 week of "acclimation" to Warm2 and Warm1 before making a choice - and no switching back and forth... watch each mode exclusively for 1 week before deciding which mode to stick with)


Sharpness - lost my notes and the TV is gone... easily checked with a sharpness test pattern available in just about all test/setup discs - and check it for every Scene Select mode and every Picture Mode you use, because the proper setting does change considerably when you change modes.


Noise Reduction - Low seems harmless for good quality images, helps worse qulity images a little - med and high do hurt detail in images.


MPEG Noise - (ditto)


Motionflow - Clear1 (still preferred overall, but Smooth is "interesting" though very "video looking" compared to all other settings - lots of motion artifacts in Smooth mode if there's a lot of motion on the screen)


CineMotion - Auto1 (this removes 3:2 pulldown from standard definition sources like DVD and uses frame interpolation to improve motion). Auto2 mode removes 3:2 pulldown but does not add interpolated frames. This setting does NOTHING for 720 or 1080 sources.


Black Corrector - Off


Adv. Contrast Enhancer - Off


Gamma - -2 (-2 setting averages 2.3, but it is higher at 30%, lower at 90% - good for 2D). If midtones seem too dark, use -1 to brighten midtones a bit. Black and white do not change when you adjust this control, but everything in between black and white will get lighter (higher numbers) or darker (lower numbers).


LED Dynamic Control - Standard (it would be a mistake to pay extra for this TV and not use this setting - it may not be P-E-R-F-E-C-T but it's better than leaving it off or Low) This is the Local Dimming control.


Auto Light Limiter - Off

Clear White - Off

Live Color - Off

Detail Enhancer - Off

Edge Enhancer - Off


Warmup time for 3D is about 45 minutes for new panels, decreases to 15 minutes as viewing time accumulates. Shutter glasses take 5 minutes or so when new but decreases to around 1 minute after they have been used for a while. Colder rooms may increase warmup times.


3D Settings

General - Custom

Backlight - Max - (no adjustment available in 3D mode) but varies greatly depending on what Scene Select Mode is being used.


Picture - try 87 to avoid color drift in highlights, but it may look too dark... use whatever setting makes the picture acceptably bright, knowing that the more you raise the setting above 87, the more color shift there will be. You may be forced to use Max and just have to live with the color shifts.


Brightness - 50

Color - 50

Hue - 0


Color Temp - Neutral (surprise! This was arrived at using an expensive meter with the shutter glasses over the lens of the meter and turned on... the glasses change color rather dramatically between being off and on so they MUST be on for measurements taken through them)


Sharpness - varies with different combinations of Scene Select and Mode, I recommend always using your own test/setup disc with Sharpness evaluation pattern to determine the best Sharpness setting since this TV seems a little unpredictable. Sometimes every setting from Min-55 looks the same (no sharpening applied, other times, the Min setting is required to get no sharpening.


Noise Reduction - (off, 3D Blu-ray doesn't need it)

MPEG Noise - (ditto)

Motionflow - Not Available in 3D mode

CineMotion - Not Available in 3D mode


Black Corrector - Off

Adv. Contrast Enhancer - Off


Gamma - use 0 unless picture looks too dark. If you need more brightness in the midtones, try +1 or +2.


LED Dynamic Control - N/A

Auto Light Limiter - N/A

Clear White - Off

Live Color - Off

Detail Enhancer - Off

Edge Enhancer - Off


Always use a test/setup disc to determine the best settings for Brightness and Sharpness on your TV - the discs don't help all that much with Color/Tint settings though, due to the blue filters needed for those modes being perfectly accurate. TVs with a Blue-only mode can have the Color and Tint controls set quite accurately (usually).
 

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It seems that a lot of people set sharpness to zero when watching bluray-movies,a sharpness thread .


What can you do to make your LCd less sharp with bluray content,Doug?
 

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CNET's reviewer created a post on the calibration settings he arrived at for the 52HX909.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19410_10...hreadID=399409


I include it here not because I'm vouching for it, but this is clearly the thread to discuss such things in. FWIW, I did apply these settings on my set. Subjectively, they're not a train wreck. But I would welcome someone with testing gear to comment on this configuration. I know factory settings are often jacked up in strange ways but the white balance extremes below surprised me.

Quote:
--Home Menu>Settings>Picture & Display--


--Picture Adjustments menu--

Setting Memory: [any]

Picture Mode: Custom

Backlight: 3

Picture: 90

Brightness: 52

Color: 50

Hue: 0

Color Temperature: Warm 2

Sharpness: Min

Noise Reduction: Off

MPEG Noise Reduction: Off

Motionflow: Off

CineMotion: Auto 1


--Advanced Settings menu--

Black Corrector: Off

Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off

Gamma: 0

LED Dynamic Control: Standard

Auto Light Limiter: Off

Clear White: Off

Live Color: Off

White Balance: [See below]

Detail Enhancer: Off

Edge Enhancer: Off

Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]


--White Balance menu--

R-Gain: -4

G-Gain: -1

B-Gain: 0

R-Bias: -4

G-Bias: -2

B-Bias: +4


Home Menu>Settings>Ambient Sensor: Off


Home Menu>Settings>Screen menu--

Setting Memory: [any]

Wide Mode: Full

Auto Wide: Off

4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]

Auto Display Area: Off

Display Area: Full Pixel

Screen Position: [grayed out]

Vertical Size: [grayed out]


Home Menu>Settings>Pro Picture Setup: [All settings Auto]


--Home Menu>Settings>Preferences--


--Scene Select menu--

General


--Eco menu--

Power Saving: Off
 

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Originally Posted by bigboss21 /forum/post/18874568


i dont get it, explain?

The Blue-bias is set to +4, while the gain and bias for other colors are lessen.


I still wonder a bit about the blue tinted blacks though. Someone who bought the set from Best Buy mentioned about it too.

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I will start off by saying that the black level achieved by this television is as dark and endless as any television can possibly get. The problem is that the black level comes with a price. In dark scenes, the blacks turn very blue, and as the television is on longer and warms up, the blacks will start to change color to an impossibly dark shade of navy. It's very noticeable, and I've never seen any other television do anything like this. At first glance, the extremely dark black level of the set will seem black, but once you become accustomed to it, and look deeper, it becomes very evident that you are actually seeing a very deep navy-ish black. The loner you leave the television on, the more you will notice this.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+B...ustomerreviews
 

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Originally Posted by Shadow Cloud /forum/post/18874598


The Blue-bias is set to +4, while the gain and bias for other colors are lessen.


I still wonder a bit about the blue tinted blacks though. Someone who bought the set from Best Buy mentioned about it too.



http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+B...ustomerreviews

this sucks, i have a wad full of cash and this set is a major disappointment i dont know what to buy now.
 

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Originally Posted by bigboss21 /forum/post/18874642


this sucks, i have a wad full of cash and this set is a major disappointment i dont know what to buy now.

Please do yourself a favor and go audition it for yourself. I did so at our Sonystyle for 40 minutes and I never saw any Blue Blacks. Outside my not caring for the small size at 52" for a flagship panel I thought it was excellent viewing and were it 60"+ I'd probably buy one myself but not at MSRP.


Audition and try out the settings recommended here or tweak them for your preferences and nothings lost if you have return rights when buying.
 

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Originally Posted by rgb32 /forum/post/18874525


LOL.... no wonder DavidPF thought the set tinged blue for dark colors!


R-Gain: -4

G-Gain: -1

B-Gain: 0

R-Bias: -4

G-Bias: -2
B-Bias: +4

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19410_10...hreadID=399409

(1) Gain settings are irrelevant. Only offset/bias settings significantly affect the low-luminance values.

(2) How, exactly, are we to suppose there's anything wrong with those settings without seeing the pre-calibration charts and tables??? If the thing starts out at the low end with a low gamma, red too strong and blue too weak, those settings are entirely on mark.

(3) Could we please, please leave the partisanship at home for this thread??? That is half of why Mr. Blackburn created it, after all. (Please understand, I don't mean this to be directed specifically at you, rgb32.)

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this sucks, i have a wad full of cash and this set is a major disappointment i dont know what to buy now.

I encourage you to be patient; we don't yet know if the set is all that bad or all that good. Lots of testing has to be done before a proper objective analysis can be made on any high-performance TV, and we're not there yet with the HX909. Maybe CNET's TV was aberrant, and maybe not. Maybe their chosen settings introduced some problems, and maybe not. Maybe there are some obscure, carefully hidden controls in the service menu that can minimize the problems it has, and maybe not. Time will tell (or rather, I expect Mr. Blackburn will tell in due time).


-Noob
 

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Originally Posted by Shadow Cloud /forum/post/18874598


The Blue-bias is set to +4, while the gain and bias for other colors are lessen.


I still wonder a bit about the blue tinted blacks though. Someone who bought the set from Best Buy mentioned about it too.



http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+B...ustomerreviews

The problem with the Best Buy review is that it isn't sold at Best Buy yet. My guess is this is someone's impressions from seeing it in a store like Sonystyle or Fryes. It's almost note for note the same as what CNET wrote. I'd wait until the owners (owner?) of the set chimes in or we get info from widescreen review, or at least a review that posts detailed info. And it is funny that the CNET guy sees blue tinted blacks after setting +4 blue bias. If the set does drift after turning it on, shouldn't the reviewer calibrate after it stabilizes? At least that's what they do in the projector world.
 

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Originally Posted by RetroElectro /forum/post/18874823


The problem with the Best Buy review is that it isn't sold at Best Buy yet. My guess is this is someone's impressions from seeing it in a store like Sonystyle or Fryes. It's almost note for note the same as what CNET wrote. I'd wait until the owners (owner?) of the set chimes in or we get info from widescreen review, or at least a review that posts detailed info. And it is funny that the CNET guy sees blue tinted blacks after setting +4 blue bias. If the set does drift after turning it on, shouldn't the reviewer calibrate after it stabilizes? At least that's what they do in the projector world.

Hello,


Right, but remember what happened with the XBR9? Values didn't just drift as the TV warmed up, they flat out failed to hold steady between Tuesday and Wednesday. I guess I just assumed that what Mr. Katzmeier was referring to there was a similar phenomenon. I suppose we'll know more once Doug Blackburn has done his utmost with the thing and posts his results.


-Noob
 

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docs.sony.com doesn't have a protocol PDF up available (yet?).


If anyone finds one (maybe on an international site), please post. Thanks!
 

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For an example of what I'm talking about, here's one for an XBR5:

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL40XBR5_protocol.pdf


The core will likely be the same as this but each model has specific extensions since there are typically codes for any picture or source setting in the menus or on the remote (and sometimes beyond).


Very useful for automation or batching source changes, even time of day changes, etc.
 

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i went to check out the tv and i sat there watching avatar ( a movie which i abhor) and couldnt find any issue with the tv. But that movie has no dark scenes so i couldn't see this blooming, or blueish blacks cnet was talking about. I wish the hx owners would post already but they are no where to be found.
 

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Originally Posted by RetroElectro /forum/post/18874823


The problem with the Best Buy review is that it isn't sold at Best Buy yet.

+1 To me that Best Buy review was "highly suspect" didn't sound to me like your average consumer's review but more like a competitions rant.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Yeah, I'm noticing a good amount of reviews about the HX line tend to not talk about the quality of the TV at all. Lame. Are they trying to dissuade people from buying sets by giving false reviews due to their own bias? People have that much time in the day? Cripes.


Regarding the TV itself, however, one would think that with all the models in stores people are seeing, its problems would be evident. Those TVs are on a good amount of the day, every day. Problems would arise, no?


It can be tough to judge, though, I've only seen the HX800 line do 3D material, nothing in 2D unfortunately.
 

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im seriously thinking about finding an xbr8 and just saying screw it to all these new models, i'll just wait till 3D matures. If the hx800 is going to have clouding issues i rather settle for a classic until sony wakes the hell up.
 

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Thread starter warn me that here is calibration thread so i erased my msg.


so sorry
 

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It seems that a lot of people set sharpness to zero when watching bluray-movies,a sharpness thread .


What can you do to make your LCd less sharp with bluray content,Doug?

Less sharp? Why? The whole point of Blu-ray is highly detailed images. There is absolutely NO evidence of ANY sharpness artifacts with any Sharpness control setting between 0 and 55. You only begin to see artifacts from over-sharpening with settings of 56 and higher.


There is no one correct sharpness setting. You have to use a test pattern and check every model of TV to find where the sharpness control should be set. Most test/setup discs will explain how to use the Sharpness test pattern (usually a gray screen with horizontal and vertical black bars. When the Sharpness control is set too high, you begin to see white edges along the vertical or horizontal black lines (or both vertical and horizontal). That extra white edge is not present in the original and is an artifact that should be avoided.


Some TVs will actually SOFTEN the picture if you set the Sharpness control too low... the VT25 does not. Once you get rid of the white edges on the black lines arould 56 or 55 setting for the Sharpness control, the picture never changes as you set the control to lower values.


I've seen some TVs and projectors where the Sharpness control does nothing at all... marketing told the engineers that there had to be a Sharpness control or they couldn't sell the product. So the engineers put in a Sharpness control, but made sure it did nothing... on purpose.


To get the best images from Blu-ray, you want to see what is on the disc... not a blurred version of that and not an over-sharpened version of that. Using the default "50" setting for the Sharpness control reproduces what is on the disc - so does 40, 30, 20, 10 and 0.
 
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