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Thought I'd start a discussion since I'm having trouble getting info in the owner thread.

Very confused how Sony asigns settings to inputs, Picture Modes, and Color Temp settings. Example Expert 1 and 2 color temps share the same 2 point (adv Basic) setting but separate 10/20 multipoint settings.

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I am very glad to have these settings for my 55" A8H, but I am hoping that D-Nice posts the same thing for the 55" A9G. I only found one collection of his settings for the A9G (posted on 2019/08/23), which I believe is for the 55" and 65", but I see no indication of whether these settings are for SDR, HDR, or DV. And even if we know these are for SDR, for example, then what settings do we use for HDR and DV? Does anyone know or can someone point me to the correct post? Thanks!
 

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Sony Bravia XBR-A8H SDR Settings (@100 nits)



Picture Mode: Custom

Brightness Menu

Brightness: 40
Contrast: 90
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: Off

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Manual
Resolution: 4
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Custom
Smoothness: Min
Clearness: 1
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Magenta:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: -1

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: -2
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 1



Sony Bravia XBR-A8H HDR Settings



Picture Mode: Custom

Brightness Menu

Brightness: Max
Contrast: 90
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: High

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Magenta:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: -1

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: -2
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 1



Sony Bravia XBR-A8H Dolby Vision Settings



Picture Mode: Dolby Bright

Brightness Menu

Brightness: Max
Contrast: Max
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: High

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Off

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Magenta:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Cyan:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0
 

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Sony Bravia XBR-A8H SDR Settings (@100 nits)



Picture Mode: Custom

Brightness Menu

Brightness: 40
Contrast: 90
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: Off

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Manual
Resolution: 4
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Custom
Smoothness: Min
Clearness: 1
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Magenta:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: -1

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: -2
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 1



Sony Bravia XBR-A8H HDR Settings



Picture Mode: Custom

Brightness Menu

Brightness: Max
Contrast: 90
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: High

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Magenta:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: -1

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: -2
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: -1
Saturation: -2
Lightness: 1



Sony Bravia XBR-A8H Dolby Vision Settings



Picture Mode: Dolby Bright

Brightness Menu

Brightness: Max
Contrast: Max
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: High

Color Menu
Color: 50
Color Temp: Expert 1
Live Color: Off

Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Off

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Off
CineMotion: Auto

ADV Color Temperature Menu

ADV Color Temperature Basic

R-Gain: -2
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0


ADV Color Temperature Multi Point (10p)
Point 1
-2
-8
-10

Point 2
-2
-1
-4

Point 3
-2
-1
-2

Point 4
-1
-2
-3

Point 5
0
0
-3

Point 6
1
0
-1

Point 7
1
0
-1

Point 8
1
1
-1

Point 9
1
1
0

Point 10
0
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:
Red:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Magenta:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Blue:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Cyan:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Green:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0

Yellow:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 0
Lightness: 0
this is what I used to create the table above.
 

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Can anyone for the life of me explain why all the color temps in all pic modes share the same 2 point (Advanced Basic) setting? What if you wanted expt 1 to be D-65 and exp2 to be D-75 or use an AWP for comparison? I don't get why Sony does this?

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Can anyone for the life of me explain why all the color temps in all pic modes share the same 2 point (Advanced Basic) setting? What if you wanted expt 1 to be D-65 and exp2 to be D-75 or use an AWP for comparison? I don't get why Sony does this?

bob
They probably derive the other color temp selections algebraically from the master 2-point. That way they don't need to allocate memory space to store them but instead create them "on the fly" when they are selected for use. Mitsubishi did the same thing with their "medium" color temp on big screen CRT RPTVs.
You have the option to add an external LUT box if you want alternate color temps or AWPs.
 

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Thanks, RR

So how would I compare D65 to an AWP using 2 different pic modes or temps?

thx

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You can't, since the basic 2-point is global. You'd either have to get D65 right and write down the settings and then calibrate to the AWP. No switching back and forth, I'm afraid. OTOH, a LUT box would give you the ability to switch from memory slot to memory slot, where you could have differing white points and the correct color targets for them.
 

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You can't, since the basic 2-point is global. You'd either have to get D65 right and write down the settings and then calibrate to the AWP. No switching back and forth, I'm afraid. OTOH, a LUT box would give you the ability to switch from memory slot to memory slot, where you could have differing white points and the correct color targets for them.
Thanks, a LUT box is above my pay grade, I'm afraid :)
 

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Because they don’t intend you to use the 2 point if you are using the 20 point.


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Thanks for that, Tyler. My confusion comes from being told to to do the 2 point "Coarse" first, and then the multipoint "Fine" after to fine tune it. That would finally explain why the mult point is unique to each color temp? But If so, why isn't the 2 point unique since it's either or? So, 2 point and CMS are input dependent but multipoint is color temp dependent?

thx

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We worked very closely with Sony when developing the Calman integration. Sony electronics works very closely with the professional monitor division and Sony pictures on picture quality.


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I meant calling the CS line :)
 

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I'd love to see a chart showing what parameters are tied to: Input, Picture Mode, Color Temp, CMS, Basic Advanced (2 point) WB, and multipoint WB.
 
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