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Hello gang. I already have the Sony 4K media player. And I have some really bad news. You are NOT gonna like this.


Short version: I hooked the media player up (correctly) and received the error that the TV could not connect to the media player, along with a variety of error codes. After several hours of this, I returned the first unit and got a fresh one. Same problem exactly.


Enter Sony support. I talked to various people 'up the chain' until I got to a person who actually understood what the issue was. I hope you're sitting down:


Evidently, at the 11th hour, Sony decided to change the HDCP employed in these players. This new version of HDCP is not - I repeat NOT - compatible with virtually *any* 4K television that Sony has sold to date. If you purchased a Sony 4K TV of any size at any time before, I don't know, the last 14 days or so, chances are you're affected.


The solution, per Sony: The entire HDMI board in the TV has to be changed before the media player will work. Of course, Sony will set this up for you. When the part is available. And when the technicians have time. Because, you know, they have to now change the HDMI boards on almost *every* 4K TV they've ever made.


Am I the only person who's more than a little irritated that I just spent close to $7K on a beautiful new TV that effectively now cannot play the *only* 4K content in existence? Truly, truly unbelievable.


Questions? Ask away. But my advice: don't order the media player yet. Get your set's board changed first. Then, you won't have to endure the frustration I've endured today. Grrr......
 

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Wow, what a bite in the ass. I'm glad I'm not an early adopter to all this 4k stuff but, I like following and knowing whats coming down the pipe line. If I had just bought a 4k tv I would not only return the media player but, the tv as well until everything is sorted out. Cart before the horse!


Would this effect the Sony VPL-vw1000 4k front projector?
 

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Well, for now I'll continue to use the 4K Media Player (aka: Dell PC) that came with my 84. I was hoping to get that slightly unsightly Dell out of my media room. (Curious, does the new 4K Player have all the content that's on the Dell? (The eleven 4K movies, a dozen or so independent 4K video shorts and a dozen or so 4K photo slide shows.)





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Interesting, I just spoke with both Sony Support, and the Sony Store, and both are saying the FMP-X1 being sold through the store "now" will work on all of their 4K TV's.
The support guy said he guaranteed it would also work with any of the 84" 4K's because they were built with the Server interface in mind, and the basic internal connections used in the FMP-X1 is the essentially the same as the 4K media player (Dell) we 84 owner's already received. I will, of course, believe it when I see it for myself, but frankly not in any hurry, the Dell works fine (other than it's "clunky" size). We'll see.


Also, for the VW1000ES guys, the footnotes on the FMP-X1 product page at the Sony Store indicate it "works exclusively" with the 55" and 65" TV's. (But there may be hope, it does not mention the 84" either, but it's apparently supported (assuming they really work, or will be made to work.



(Just to be clear, not questioning the posts of those indicating a problem.)




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Check out the manual, not good new for people who have early versions of the panels.


And it has been confirmed that the streamer does not now work with the 1000ES projector.


As with the panels a new hdmi board will need to be installed but there is no word so far on when that might be.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/FMPX1.pdf
 

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I am curious, at what distance do you guys sit from your TVs?


To see a noticeable benefit from 4k on a 55", you need to about 5' from it! On a 65" you need to be at about 6'.


I love new tech, but you really need to get closer to 95"-100" screen to get any noticeable benefit from the higher pixel count, at something like 9'-10'.

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
 

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Wow, I really have a feeling prices will fall on item that stream 4k. The TV's are selling well at Frys I noticed, and even on Amazon, Tiger Direct. This is a lot of money for this thing! That said... I want one! Need to replace my aging WDTV Gen1 running Showcase Mod.
 

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Originally Posted by mychaelp  /t/1467859/sony-4k-media-streamer-fmp-x1-699-coming-summer-2013#post_23495533


Wow, I really have a feeling prices will fall on item that stream 4k. The TV's are selling well at Frys I noticed, and even on Amazon, Tiger Direct. This is a lot of money for this thing! That said... I want one! Need to replace my aging WDTV Gen1 running Showcase Mod.

The prices will drop for the TVs as well, and much sooner than most anticipate.


This is an interesting piece on why 4k and why now: Why Ultra HD 4K TVs are still stupid
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"... 5. Why 4K?

Ah, now this is an interesting question. It's clear many seem to think TV manufacturers are some sort of altruistic entities that only do new things if there's a benefit to the consumer. How adorable, but no. Ultra HD isn't the "new technology" it appears. Modern TVs are made from huge sheets of "motherglass." From this big piece, companies slice up smaller pieces to make televisions. It's easier (read: cheaper) to make a big piece and cut it into smaller TVs.

Originally this was in case there was a problem with part of the glass, the rest could still be sold as TVs. When you read about "yields" as part of TV manufacturing, this is largely what they're talking about.

But manufacturing has gotten really good, so most of these pieces of motherglass are fully used. Instead of slicing up one piece of motherglass into four 42-inch 1080p LCDs, what if you just kept the whole thing as one piece? What would you have? You'd have an 84-inch TV. Use the exact same (or similar) drive elements/electronics and all the various bits, and you've got a 3,840x2,160-pixel, 84-inch UHD TV. Hey, wait.

You see, TV companies are pushing 4K because they can. It's easy, or at least easier than improving the more important aspects of picture quality (like contrast ratio, color accuracy, motion blur, compression artifacts, and so on).


6. 4K is easy to market

OK, so 4K is easier to manufacturer than an actual new technology (OLED), but there's more to it than that. Ultra HD is an easy sell. It's a number, greater than another number; therefore it's "better." In the confusing world of televisions, simplifying "superiority" down to a single number is marketing gold...."

Right now, the manufacturers get to upsell you to a much higher margin product, plus, they get to sell you an incompatible "streamer" with a dozen movies for $700. How can they lose?
 

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Correct!! Iv'e seen 4K and it looks great,but Iv'e said from jump TO ME.completely unnnecessary.. Concentrate on many of the other aspects that were mentioned..Or even put out some quality 2.35:1 tv sets for us who consider ourselves at the front line to this hobby.
 

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I can never get my head around why people complain when manufacturer's make new products. Did you all expect to sit on 1080p for the next 10 years? "Complete unnecessary," heard that when 1080p was introduced over 720 as well. Yup, 1080p was completely unnecessary, hasn't really added any value to the images we see today.



BTW, Sony's 4K media player, is not generally incompatible with their 4K TV's, only the first couple of hundred (many of which landed in the hands of us early adopters at AVS), and although one person in a post attributed the problem solely to Sony, and still another brought up HDMI 2.0 (not even relevant to the problem), it was HDCP that had to be modified because of issues found after launch. This was partially Sony and partially an HDCP mod. More than 80% (as of last Friday) of Sony's 4K displays work just fine with the Player, and Sony is developing the fix for the early TV's.


If it weren't for early adopters, some of these techs would never even make it to the mass marketplace.


(Disclosure: Some bias in my comments, I own a Sony 84" 4K and an Exec at Sony Japan is a friend.)




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HI,

i am new to this forum and hope to find an answer to my question,i just got my sony 4k 84” yesterday,as they mentioned i got the s790 blueray player with 4k upscale feature,but i did not see any difference in quality than my series 8 samsung while playing blueray movies on the set,so to get much of this tv i have to play 4k content on it cause i loved the look of it while it was in sony store,the bad thing sony kuwait does not provide any 4k content with the tv,my question is,will sony 4k media streamer work on the 84” or not?cause on the sheet you posted they are talking about how close the hdmi ports from each other!! on the 84” that i own hdmi ports 1,4 are near each other and 2,3 are also the same but on the side of the panel,you can check the link and let me know if you understand what they mean,thanks in advance and good luck to you all.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/FMPX1.pdf
 

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Originally Posted by paradise man  /t/1467859/sony-4k-media-streamer-fmp-x1-699-coming-summer-2013#post_23506644


HI,

i am new to this forum and hope to find an answer to my question,i just got my sony 4k 84” yesterday,as they mentioned i got the s790 blueray player with 4k upscale feature,but i did not see any difference in quality than my series 8 samsung while playing blueray movies on the set,so to get much of this tv i have to play 4k content on it cause i loved the look of it while it was in sony store,the bad thing sony kuwait does not provide any 4k content with the tv,my question is,will sony 4k media streamer work on the 84” or not?cause on the sheet you posted they are talking about how close the hdmi ports from each other!! on the 84” that i own hdmi ports 1,4 are near each other and 2,3 are also the same but on the side of the panel,you can check the link and let me know if you understand what they mean,thanks in advance and good luck to you all.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/FMPX1.pdf


I'm an 84" 4K owner as well, and I know for certain that as of this writing the 84" you have will not work with the FMP-X1. In addition, although some 84" owner's were told that Sony would be swapping out the FMP-X1 in exchange for the Dell Server we U.S. folks received with the TV, this is not the case, at least not in the near term. Because we have a working 4K content Server, Sony is focusing on correcting an issue the early 4K TV owner's are experiencing with X1 compatibility. I'm told Sony will "revisit" swapping for the new X1 at some future point.



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thanks for answering,is there any other way for me to watch 4k content?is there a way for me to get this dell?like buying it from else where?
 

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Originally Posted by paradise man  /t/1467859/sony-4k-media-streamer-fmp-x1-699-coming-summer-2013#post_23508187


thanks for answering,is there any other way for me to watch 4k content?is there a way for me to get this dell?like buying it from else where?


Some 4K owner's are finding 4K content on UTube. I believe there are discussions regarding this in the Sony 4K owner's thread in the LCD Displays section, here is the link:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473062/official-sony-x9-xbr-55x900a-xbr-65x900a-owners-thread


There is no way that I'm aware of that you can get the Dell (but I'd check with Sony directly to be sure), and as far as I know those of us that have them cannot share the Server with anyone else because the Server is actually identified with our particular display. There is an online identification and authorization that takes place when you attempt to use the Server. There is also a 4K Media Player software program that is downloaded to a Sony Experia tablet that came with the Server and this also plays a role in the process (although I suspect any device capable of downloading the media player would get the same result). Not sure why you 84 4K owner's were not part of the Dell deal, perhaps it has something to do with playback of the content????



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